Meanwhile in Russia …
Rashid Itsaev from You Raise Russia visited Tatiana Kashirina again and did a Q&A with her.
Watch his first Interview with Tatiana and her coach here. It has a lot of good information.
Quick Notes thanks to Sergiy Turchyn:
- her best Snatch Balance is 180kg
- They say that Khetag Khugaev did 170+210 almost every day before Europeans. Much more often than others. Just like Tatiana, they both don’t stop lifting heavy before a meet.
- Paris 2011 is her least favorite meet
- Tatiana’s coach thinks that many people who work on small weights get injured more often. (Body is not used to heavy weights, so it is not ready for them)
- People who stop lifting heavy before a meet usually lift 20-30 kg less than in training.
- Both she and her coach loved the atmosphere at the Arnold. Everyone was welcome. They also noticed people didn’t smoke as much outside. Americans have much more desire to train than Russians. Also a lot more competitors than even at Russian nationals. They also liked technique of most competitors. They only need sponsors and money to get higher results.
- Best Back Squat: 280kg x3
- Best Front Squat: 240kg x1
- 3 times a week she does 90% or higher lifts when in good shape
More Notes from “Mindblowed”:
[24:40]
Rashid: Chinese technique is strange. They were leaning the soviet system but now their technique is strange. They put priority to strength.
Coach: Yes. Usually if they Clean then they most probably Jerk it (I guess he talks about women team). They are very strong physically but their TECHNIQUE IS LACKING BEHIND. (It is not the first time I hear him saying that Chinese technique is behind Russian technique)
Rashid: I watched a guy in 69 kg class (Liao Hui) Front Rack Holding 400 kg. Very strong. Tatiana, do you do Front Rack Holds?
Tatiana: Nope, only classic lifts, pulls, squats all the basics pretty much.
Rashid talks/complains about modern Russian lifters lack in Jerks …
Coach: No comments, but I liked Khetag Khugaev during national team training. He was lifting 170/210 till the end. We used to relax before the competition in Paris and performed not so well. Later we changed the approach and lift heavy till the end. Look at Zabolotnaya, she was lifting heavy till the end
Tatiana: Looks like Chinese lift heavy till the end also. In 2010 Meng was working with 130 and she was opening with 135. The most important to keep leg strength.
Coach: People who work with lower weight are getting injured more. Their body is not ready.
2nd Video
Notes from Sergiy:
- Tatiana’s best Muscle Snatch is 130kg (with straps)
- best Snatch Deadlift 190kg, best Clean Deadlift 240kg
- best Push Press 152kg, does not do any presses
- Doesn’t mind giving autographs or pictures, but is not a public person and doesn’t enjoy too much attention.
- She also told that her best muscle snatch is a secret, so I would expect something huge. Her back squat was a secret in the old video a year ago.
Don’t know what to say about these squat numbers .. I’m desperately hoping for a typo
Mind blowing numbers, if u remember Albegov got 300×2 back squat record
Surely these strength stats are wrong. This would make her very inefficient as these numbers should amount to 10-20kg on each lift for someone of her talent.
Tatiana: I squatted 280×3 on my back.
Rashid: 280?
Tatiana: Yes. Everyone knows that now. I am not hiding it anymore.
Rashid: Can you do 300?
Tatiana: Maybe. At that time I would probably squat it once. What about my front squat? I think it’s 240×1, but my coach will tell exactly.
Vladimir [after looking in Tatiana’s training logs]: 240.
So, basically both of those numbers were confirmed twice. There is no way it was a mistake.
insane.
Those numbers are mind boggling. I was curious to see how her squat would stack up in powerlifting. Heaviest WR squats I could find are as follows: IPF 310 kg equipped, 257.5 kg RAW and in the WPF: 217.5 kg Equipped, 180 kg RAW (lighter BW). It is very special that she is that strong. My bet is she is also stronger than many 105kg lifters. I am wanting to see her snatch 170 kg hehe
Russians do not give a damn about “efficiency”. I don’t think they would even know what are you talking about. Get ridiculous strength, have good form, break world records. That’s their school of thought.
When you have natural strength that increases exponentially with good training + solid technique that allows you to become a top athlete + smart and knowledgeable coach who works with you for years – this are all efficiency components.
Yes, there is a correlation between your squat numbers and between clean and jerk for example, but there a lot of other factors to consider to perform on a top level. If you squat a lot it gives you extra confidence but doesn’t guarantee that your will have an excellent clean and jerk during competition
Actually, the Russians, or rather the Soviets, were the first to start tracking systematically the ratios between various movements, including the classical lifts (snatch, clean, and jerk) and assistance movements like back squats and front squats. They also carefully noted things like ideal bar trajectory, ideal angles of the hips and knees at the various phases of the lifts, et. They studied the sport very carefully.
A.S. Medvedev in particular discusses the ratios. Among other things, Medvedev noted, if I recall correctly, that at the elite level, the ratio of the squat to the classical lifts declines; i.e. there is are diminishing returns to strength work at the very highest levels. It sounds counter-intuitive at first, but not when you think about it. Still, at he highest levels strength work is probably the only way to bigger lifts, its just that you have to do that much more for an increase of a few kilos.
Also, the Russians (and Soviets), like any other leading program, were always very big on drilling excellent technique into young lifters, Development of proper motor patterns takes priority over strength training in the develoipment of young and talented athletes. That’s why you see even top lifters doing bar work.
In my opinion this part is interesting:
[24:40]
Rashid: Chinese technique is strange. They were leaning the soviet system but now their technique is strange. They put priority to strength.
Coach: Yes. Usually if they clean then they most probably jerk it (I guess he talks about women team). They are very strong physically but their TECHNIQUE IS LACKING BEHIND. (It is not the first time I hear him saying that Chinese technique is behind Russian technique)
Rashid: I watched a guy in 69 kg class (Liao Hui) front rack holding 400 kg. Very strong. Tatiana, do you do front rack holds?
Tatiana: Nope, only classic lifts, pulls, squats all the basics pretty much.
Rashid talks/complains about modern Russian lifters lack in jerks …
Coach: No comments, but I liked Khetag Khugaev during national team training. He was lifting 170/210 till the end. We used to relax before the competition in Paris and performed not so well. Later we changed the approach and lift heavy till the end. Look at Zabolotnaya, she was lifting heavy till the end. People
Tatiana: Looks like Chinese lift heavy till the end also. In 2010 Meng was working with 130 and she was opening with 135. The most important to keep leg strength.
Coach: People who work with lower weight are getting injured more. Their body is not ready.
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I guess Sergiy will finish complete translation.
Yeah, the part about the Chinese was interesting. They said that Chinese have inferior technique and superior strength, but later mention Tatiana’s 280×3 back squat that doesn’t sound like she is weak to me.
Thanks, I’ll add that to the post.
guys how can I see the translation?
guys how can I see the translation?
280 kg back squat x 3? — That’s it; I’m done lifting. — I don’t think Pat Mendes does that anymore.