This years 105kg world weightlifting championship category was filled with emotion and drama. First came Simon Martirosyan breaking his own world record Snatch and attempting to break his own Total world record. Then came the race to first place.
David Bedzhanyan, Ruslan Nurudinov and Ilya Ilyin were all closely tied after the Snatch phase. Everyone pushing each other to the limit as every kilo would count going into the Clean and Jerk event. The first piece of drama came as Bedzhanyan missed his second attempt at 236kg. Nurudinov and Ilyin both placed 239kg as their next attempts to break Bedzhanyan’s old 238kg record.
Ilyin is first up, he misses his attempt at 239kg, leaving him with one attempt left and time to choose his next weight. Nurdinov breaks the first world record at 239kg [Video] leaving Ilyin needing 242kg to win the championships by virtue of bodyweight. Bedzhanyan was next up with 240kg [Video] and less than a minute after his record was taken away from him by Nurudinov he steals it back. In a final rush of excitement Ilyin wins the gold medal in the Clean and Jerk by shattering the record set less than a minute beforehand with a heroic attempt at 242kg. Ilya goes on to win the world championships 105kg category in the total.
It’s worth noting that Ilya is undefeated in international competition. He currently holds seven world records:
- Youth world records: 170kg Snatch, 216kg Clean and Jerk and a 386kg Total at 85kg
- Junior world record: 386kg Total at 85kg
- Senior world records: 233kg Clean and Jerk, 418kg Total at 94kg and a 242kg Clean and Jerk at 105kg
You can watch the full competition here.
Update: Ilya thinks he can increase the C&J WR by 12-16kg until Rio 2016 (via). Furthermore:
If all goes according to plan, I will try to raise the bar for the world record in the clean and jerk and lift 260 kg.
And just for a sense of the atmosphere…
All Lifts
I’m exploding with excitement watching on my laptop. Can’t even imagine how it would have felt in person. Thanks Gregor for making this amazing session available to all of us!
I lost my voice and my hands still sting from clapping.
what an amazing competition…I thought the 85kg would be the best before the supers but WOW…this was amazing 3 world records in a row!? Incredible. Ilya is God and King of weightlifting.
Question is how long before he breaks the total record at 105kg???
Just an amazing competition that totally lived up to the hype. Have to feel a bit for Nurudinov – surely thought he had it when he nailed that 239, only for the GOAT to step up and crush his dreams.
Nurudinov is not done…he’s capable of 240+. Next year and the Olympics will be very interesting.
He can also snatch more than 193.. It is not clear who will win in Rio.
it’s going to get interesting…I think many of us predicted Ilya going 240+ but Nurudinov has proven he’s getting STRONGER…I don’t know what they’re doing in the ‘Stans but they are producing some unbelievable lifters. The new Khazak 94kg lifter is unreal too.
I think we’re going to see 195/242 from Nurudinov soon and 195/245 from Ilya.
Will we see a 250kg clean and jerk at 105kg soon??????
I think Ilya will be capable of 250kg by Rio.
Ilya may need to lift 250 if Arumnau turns up in shape – because he could find himself 7-10kg down after the snatch phase.
Aramnau appears to (sadly) be shot. It would be amazing to see him make a comeback. Don’t forget Akkaev: he didn’t seem to struggle to hit 196/232 and probably had a few kilos in the tank.
Akkaev did 198/232. I really hope he will come back. Heard some rumours he got kicked out of the Russian team because he posted on instagram videos of himself shooting AKs on the street… Probably a false rumour tho
Definitely just a rumor. WHere he is from this is a common thing they do at weddings.
Kydyrbayev Zhassulan is not a new 94kg lifter for KAZ, he got banned from 11.11.12 to 11.11.14. That is why most dont know him, and he was only rdy to lift for KAZ 3 days before the 94kg class started.
ahhhh I see…has he done any international competitions before?
Asian Junior’s ’11+’12, World Junior’s 2012.
AJ 12 (165+201) got him banned.
Thanks to Ian Wilson, you can see him here at the JWC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yeT22r1Yk0
Zacharavich did 200/240 as a junior in the then 100kg Class.
that’s pretty freaking amazing…
I actually think that Nurudinov was stronger as Ilya today. Could have c&j’ed a bit more but who could foresee the madman getting 242 after failing at 239? Absolutely crazy competition. Does anyone else remembers how Ilya said he will be world champion with 190/243 a year ago when he was a skinny 80 kg guy? Incredible!
I really hope they don’t get injured. Because they will really push themselve. Nurudinov lifted a perfect game. I really feel bad for him. Now only the superheavy class left for ilya to win :p
Nurudinov had more experience in that weight class, making him the favorite to win if you look at it objectively.
I agree Nurudinov was stronger, but Ilya is just too good of a competitor to be beaten.
Ilya’s head looks tiny now hahaha…his legs are HUGE.
Anyone else notice that the coach of the Chinese guy with the unusual technique was Zhang Guozheng?
Yup. Yang Zhe muscles it too much.
Given how slow and sluggish his pulls are, I’m surprised he’s better at the snatch than at the clean and jerk since usually snatch is for fast, powerful lifters and clean and jerk is for sheer strength lifters. Well, looking at his clean recovery, it doesn’t look like he has a lot of sheer strength either. He’s like a bigger Li Hongli.
Yea but nowhere near as muscled. What is up with the Chinese and their heavyweights? They can produce tons of Champion level lightweights (even with Lu Xiojun gone they still get silver) but not a single heavyweight champion.
Cui Wenhua was a heavyweight champion. But it’s genetics. It’s rare for Asians to get that big so the selection pool is smaller. Even with China’s population 10x Russia’s there are fewer Chinese people who naturally grow to 105kg (possibly, not totally sure). Also, usually, only very poor Chinese people allow their kids to pick up weightlifting as an only hope to lift him/her and possibly the family out of poverty. Any Chinese family rich enough (middle-lower class or higher) to afford nutrition to allow a kid to start off growing very large will usually reject weightlifting, hoping to educate him instead. What about the female heavy-weights? Culturally, when a large baby boy is born, even to a poor family, they will struggle as hard as they can to raise him because they feel that he will be worth it as his size represents a large, bountiful future. As for the women, especially large-framed girls are seen to be unattractive and thus not favored, so if she is born to a poor family, they will not hesitate much to send her to weightlifting, especially if the government pays a monthly fee to the family. As China lifts more and more out of poverty, Chinese weightlifting will suffer the side-effects of a shrinking talent pool to select from.
To be honest, I think it’s more about culture and economics (that drive culture sometimes) than genes. Size is of course genetic to a degree, but it’s been observed in Asian (and other) populations that when people enjoy a diet, healthcare, and standard of living similar to some Western countries, people tend to grow about as tall as people in the West.
That is an observation of the general population which I don’t think applies to weightlifting for 1 reason: children in China are recruited into weightlifting long before puberty and then, they are fed by the government, which has more than enough money to allow a kid to grow to 105 kg if that if what his genetics allows. But once again, in addition to Asian genetics being on average smaller, families are culturally disinclined to give up large-sized male offspring as they represent the center of hope for the family.
Victor already answered very well below, but you could just as well ask why Russia barely produces any 56-77 champions.
He’s the national coach for the heavies and is also there with Liu Hao and Ai Yunan. Also he’s a freaking legend and I need to find more footage of his inspiring squat jerk.
The strongest vegetarian in world history.
As a Bedzhanyan fanboy, a bronze medal for him would’ve made me mad any other time but this. It was an epic competition, and Bedzhanyan finally hit very big numbers internationally. I couldn’t believe he made 240 after he failed 236.
It didnt feel like 236 was heavy, it just looked like he was messing up his clean
I agree, that was a great day for Bedzhanyan. 187 is a great snatch for him, and obviously 240 is a HUGE C&J, for anybody.
Wow….This just goes on to show you what a beast Andrei Aramnau was back in 2008…
Yes, Aramnau really was a complete lifter 2008. World record snatch and a world class clean and jerk, six out of six, clean lifts. Ilyin needs a better snatch to match that total. I can see Nurudinov getting close or bypass the 236 kg total if he improves a bit in both lifts.
Ilya will not be beaten. His legend continues to grow.
I truly hope that he wins worlds in 2015 and the Olympics in Rio. After that he should retire with his 100% victory rate intact!
I haven’t seen a crowd go that crazy in a long time. It reminds of the following that Naim Suleymanoglu, Halil Mutlu, and Pyrros Dimas had when they lifted in their own respective countries.
The best weightlifting match I’ve ever seen, hands down
Why did Klokov not compete after 200kg snatch in the training hall?
There’s a team selection process and politics. He’s quite happy building his brand and earning a solid living from seminars. Next April he and his team decides whether or not to attempt to make the team for 2015 and 2016.
Also lots of other reasons.
What about if Nurudinov wouldn`t have wasted his first C&J with 220 Kg?
I’ve heard elsewhere that due to his injury he didn’t jerk anything above 215 kg for a while. So probably it was just to be careful and get a feel. Just guessing here. I was impressed by his huge jumps. Haven’t seen that by anyone other than the super heavyweights.
There was a reply to another thread here on ATG that mentioned that Nurudinov injured himself a while ago during training. I was surprised by the low clean and jerk opening weight, and thought he didn’t dare go very high. I was even more surprised at the jumps to 230 kg and 239 kg, but really glad to see him perform so well.
If Ilyin and Nurudinov continue to push each other, great things can happen up until and including Rio.
I think the next competition of Ilya will be in Rio.
I could imagine that as well. Ilyin has shown that he competes only when necessary. He had to compete now because it was in Kazakhstan. If it is true that he doesn’t need to compete in the US next year he might as well skip it. I’d love to see him also next year, but I can understand when he focusses on the big event.
Anyway the World’s in the pre-olympic year are usually good since the athletes train very heavy in the year before the olympic games.
I would have thought the same, but someone in this thread posted, that due to new IWF regulations, Ilya has to show up on at least one more official competition between now and Rio.
klokov got nicer women and a lot more money, but less appreciation from the weightlifting crowd. hard decision, eh?
Klokov plz go.
hold on a second Klokov DID win a world championship (2005)…and silver in an Olympics: more than 99% of weightlifters ever do. He’s a winner and has as much right as anyone to name his shirt line “winner” as anyone.
doesn’t matter…he won a World Championship and a Silver in the Olympics: way more than most weightlifters ever will (soft competition or not). He may have just never had the talent to beat the likes of Aramnau or Ilyan. It is what it is.
think of it like this: No one has even come close to Yurik Vardanian in his weight class…doesn’t mean someone like Pyrros Dimas is worthless: he did win 3 Olympic titles, it just means Yurik was that amazing.
Yes but he would have been annihilated by Vardanyan…Klokov had to face a Vardayan level lifter in Aramnau otherwise he would have been Olympic champ.
I can see that…I don’t think anyone can beat Aramnau when he’s at top form. He’s in a class by himself. Maybe Ilyin and Nurudinov will be able to beat his 436 record? I don’t know.
Mule, you better just stop hating. I’m sure you’ve offended plenty of silver medalists if they’ve read this, men who were second-strongest in the world, men who could toss you clear over the roof of your house, and you called them and their achievements ****. Whether or not Klokov fully devoted himself is his personal choice, irrelevant to you and a choice that you don’t even know; you can only guess by looking. If Klokov’s medal record looks like **** to you, then take out your World Championship and Olympic medals and rank yourself. Where are you at on your scale? LOL
Mule, sorry please remind the good folks on here, what exactly your weight lifting achievements consist of….!?, Pretty big call for a keyboard warrior to call one of the top weight lifters in the world ****. Please perform the following procedure, “bend over, grasp your head with both hands and pull firmly to remove, from ****!!! Or maybe you can get your mates to help you next time to talking crap in the bar.
I was surprised that Ilyin won this category. I thought Nurudinov really had the better chance considering he’s been on that category for a while.
Well, what can I say. Legends do it in crunch time. Heavy heavy heavy pressure, and he delivered.
Nurd was injured, also said in post press that he hadn’t attempted more than 215kg in ages.
I doubt that an(still) injured man could lift 193, 239.
He was injured during the preperation phase. Not in the competition but he couldn’t train as well as he wanted to.
I think the opener at 220 kg in the clean and jerk proved he had some doubts about his ability there. The reaction after the 239 kg lift also seemed to show he was really glad that he could do it. It would have been interesting to see what had happened if Nurudinov had started at 230 kg.
What a fantastic competition. This was so exciting. Nuridinov, Bedzhanian and of course Ilyin have been awesome. Three world records in a row. And Ilyin winning just by bodyweight. He delivers when it counts. Unbelievable. But one should not forget the great performances by Nuridinov going 220, 230 and then WR. WTH!
And Bedzhanian! Messing up the clean a bit with 236 and then still going to 240! Incredible. I just don’t understand why he didn’t snatch more. 187 seemed rather easy for him.
The hero is Ilya Ilyin. What an athlete. Fantastic!
I think with Ilyin, it either looks easy or he fails. I don’t remember seeing him struggle, especially not on a snatch. So what looks easy could have actually been an aggressive weight for him to ask for, one that he easily could have fudged and one that he is very satisfied with.
I ment Bedzhanian although on a second look the 187 didn’t seem that easy anymore.
Concerning Ilyin. He is not always stable overhead. The arms wobble sometimes, sometimes even quite a bit. He struggled definately with the Jerk, but he made it. What a lift!
You are making a lot of assumptions here. First off, when Klokov finished second to Aramnau, he snatched 193, which is more than Ilya snatched in this competition. Second, he still C&J’d 230, which was only 6kg below the world record at the time (which was only 5kg less than the WR at the time). Aramnau set 3 WR to beat him, I can’t really fault Klokov for that. Third, how could you possibly know that he would perform better/be stronger with a different body habitus? Should Lu Xiaojun gain some fat, because his body is too sculpted? How about Liao Hui, is he too concerned about muscle tone? Hwe is equally as jacked for his height. The idea that you could assume to know how Klokov’s body would react to a different composition is fairly ignorant. Fourth, let’s not forget that the man is a world champion. He is a world champion. How can you call a man a choke artist when he won a world championship. And he had an EPIC battle with Akkaev for one of the greatest weightlifting sessions in the past few years. He went 6/6 which is the exact opposite of choking.
And lastly, but most importantly, I can’t stand this idea that because he is trying to make some money for his family and grow the popularity of the sport that he is a sellout. This is not music, he is not Coldplay selling out to the masses. This is a weightlifter bringing exposure to a sport that greatly needs it. The idea that you are going to preach about the purity of weightlifting like you have a greater appreciation for the sport than Klokov, a man who had a barbell in his hands before the age of 10 is even more ignorant than assuming how his body would react to a different composition.
Believe it or not, I’m not a Klokov fanboy. I don’t like his personality that much and he is certainly too flashy for my tastes. However, this unwarranted criticism has to stop. He is doing good for the sport. You don’t have to love the guy, but don’t discount the growth he is bringing to a previously esoteric and stagnant sport. And as much as I’m sure you love the sport, I doubt you have the same relationship with it as someone who has competed at the highest level for most of his adult life.
This. A thousand times this.
Aramnauv didn’t get the clean and jerk world record that was still at 237kg by the Bulgarian until Bedzhanyan beat it.
Alan Tsagaev.
“The Bulgarian”… FFS dude, Google exists.
“I forgot” and was in the middle of other things. No need for the butthurt Luc.
LOL, you obviously had enough time to post a comment on ATG there Mr. Busy.
Luc Lapierre: “OMG why don’t people google…whaaaaaaaaaa…mommy they didn’t google. I can’t believe it…snif-snif…it’s 2014. Why don’t they google mommy? ”
Seriously man. Find something more important to do than whine about people not googling. You must not have many friends.
probably unnecessary to pick apart the minutia of my argument but nonetheless, you are correct. Interesting (but I guess not surprising) that wikipedia has the incorrect information and credits the C&J WR as 235kg by Denys Hotfrid at the 1999 WWC prior to the 2008 Olympics. Should have referenced the IWF website.
I wasn’t trying to be pedantic-I noticed becuase in 2008 the C&J was the only thing he didn’t make a WR in. It stuck out in my head.
yea. I did not mean to be curt. I’ve been working pretty hard all day for work, no need to take it out on other members of the ATG community.
hahaha…I know the feeling (working on very little sleep myself) Aramnau was such a monster. I’m surprised he “didn’t” go for the C&J world record–he blasted 236 up so easy.
That was an unintentional mistake by the IWF, at least I believe so.
Until 2008 the IWF maintained World Standards (set in 1998 based on the previous categories) that had to be surpassed to create an actual World Record. On June 24th they announced the scrapping of those still existing standards and the highest result achieved until then would now be the WR going forward.
http://www.iwf.net/2008/06/24/iwf-eliminates-world-standards-from-world-record-list/
However just two weeks earlier in June Alan Tsagaev was banned for life. I believe that is the simple reason why his results were not taken into account to set the 105 C&J record (i.e. not looking at DSQ lifts). The issue of course was that he achieved the highest then jerk of 237.5 in the EWC of 2004, before suspension and that result was (and still is) valid.
If you stride through the archived record pages of the IWF site (archive.org) it’s easy to reconstruct. Before the change the page listed standards, then for some time Gotfrid’s 235 and after the OG it’s Aramnau’s 236. Then suddenly in December it’s Tsagaev’s 237 even though his lift obviously predates AA’s.
If you watch the 105 Bejing class the announcer as well as graphics all indicate the 236 as a new WR. That’s because the IWF at the time – and hence everyone else – thought it to be correct information.
I’m convinced Aramnau would’ve attempted 238 otherwise. 236 doesn’t make sense in a universe where the jerk record is 237 and the total 430. It does however if you just broke the snatch by a kilo and now want to up the jerk by a kilo.
interesting…you wouldn’t think it would be so hard to keep track of a WR?
Aramnau DEFINITELY looked like he was capabale of 238 (fairly easily in fact).
Your logic just doesn’t add up to me. He ran into Aramnau 3 or 4 times I believe? Aramnau is a more talented lifter. He lost to Akkaev who is a more talented lifter. He may not have had his best performances against Dolega but even so, I think it’s crazy over-critical to chalk up the entirety of his career since 2005 as a consistent choke. Yes, a loss is a loss. But a loss where you go 6/6 and put up a career best total is not a choke session. He was beaten by someone better. And getting a silver medal in multiple world championships is not choking. Also, I’m not sure where you got the idea that Klokov was this incredible once in a lifetime talent who wasn’t motivated enough. I’m not sure anyone has ever thought that about him. If anything, that’s the MO of Aramnau, who is a massive waste of talent. His record of sub-par performances does speak for itself. If anything Klokov has been more consistent for longer, even though Aramnau won olympic gold and Klokov did not.
As for the Chinese, that really doesn’t make sense. How could you think that two men who are World Champions multiple times over and hold multiple world records, don’t know how to train properly. Was Jordan’s jump shot not aesthetically pleasing enough? Was Montana’s long ball not accurate enough? Tiger’s drives not straight enough? I mean I just don’t see how you could possibly have the gall to comment on the training etiquette of the world’s best.
Bodybuilding obviously works for the Chinese. On what basis do you claim that Chinese athletes would lift more if they looked less ‘aesthetic’?
Your hundred buck analogy is quite nice, but you are distributing it wrong. Hypertrophy prevents injuries according to Chinese coaches, so it means that the $20 are spent on staying injury-free (insurance).
There is a polar opposite methodology, Bulgarian method (main movements + squats and nothing else). How is that working out for Bulgarians? We had a few heroes and lot’s of crippled athletes who you don’t ever hear about. Yet the Chinese are consistently finishing at the top with a relatively low turnover in roster.
You’re trolling, right? Stop it, it’s annoying.
“Lol I have no relationship with the sport. ”
You should have stopped there. You clearly know very little about training or muscle response to it. You just come across as a hater.
Guys, there are some interesting points in your comments, but we can do better than this. By bringing Klokov up on a non-Klokov thread we are actually working for him and providing free publicity. Let us not do that. Let us also not tarnish a thread celebrating excellent COMPETITIVE athletes in what was one of the best 105 battles in years with talk about a businessman who didn’t even make it to the platform. Thanks.
I agree which is why I wrote that long-winded response about how unnecessary the criticism of Klokov is.
I think he’s too tall for the 105kg class for his frame. Look at Ilya, 5′ 9″ and stocky!!!!!
Nurudinov is young and hasn’t filled out-he may outgrow the 105’s too.
Hey guys, changing the topic, Ilya should (or will, if he has confirmed it) participate in the next worlds?. He already has the qualification for Rio, and probably he will need around 447 (200-247 looks crazy) or more in the total for Rio to beat Akkaev (could do AT LEAST 203-240 if he recover well from his injuries) and Nurudinov (maybe 200-245), another championship would f*ck with his needed training or do it with injuries from a tired body. On the other side, he looked under real pressure here, and he hasn’t been under that pressure before (WR attempts to win, pushed at the maximum on both lifts while the opponent had something left on the tank). Maybe another championship would help to improve his competition snatch and experience on this kind of pressure?, also in the next championship he will have to face Akkaev and maybe Nurudinov (Aramnau probably is gone and no talk about Klokov, he is better promoting himself and WL, and teaching around the world), they would outsnatch him by a lot of weight and endanger his perfect track, and if he cares about it would be a don’t (I don’t wanna think about how much pressure someone who cares about it would be facing on each championship, and Ilya didn’t looked like his usual cheerful self on this, despite competing in home). What you would do if you were Ilya?
Also, respect for Bedzhanyan who made it possible to talk about “common” 240 cj in competition (without him, the attempt of Ilya would seem much more crazy), and Nurudinov who did well in the strategy (luring the chinese to 193 in the snatch knowing that he wouldn’t do it, and making all the last 4 attempts above WR, Ilya was kinda lucky to fail the 239, if Nurudinov did 240, he would be in serious trouble, the 242 looked limit in the jerk).
Nah, dude, you’re underestimating Akkaev and Nurudinov. I’m thinking 225-265 for Akkaev and 220-275 for Nurudinov. Aramnau will probably come in 235-265. LOL I’m just kidding. Dude, what? Nobody’s doing 445 or 447 in Rio and 203-240 only qualifies as “AT LEAST” for Behdad Salimi. Akkaev may not even compete due to his not getting doctor’s clearance in Russia. Even if he did, Akkaev’s C&J is weaker than his snatch, and he’s never breaking Aramnau’s 200 in competition either. I say 195+230 for Akkaev if he goes and about 196+243 for Nurudinov if he keeps improving. Nurudinov didn’t lure anybody to do anything. Yang Zhe is simply no match for him in either discipline and Nurudinov would probably still have gone for 193 to open up some distance on Ilyin. He was afraid he might miss 195 and have to C&J+1 of Ilyin, which he was not confident he could do. He figured 3kg was relatively safe since we could break the WR but it was just a bit short. If anything, I don’t understand why he opened on 220 and that was his mistake.
Well, Nurudinov is improving fast, and he had a 240 in him the saturday. I dont see the 245 far away, and his snatch would improve to 200 in two years, why not?. Also Akkaev had lower training maxes in paris (the first 235 vid of 2012 looked hard, i would be impressed if he did 237+ before Paris) and he is an excellent snatcher (198, and he probably didn’t snatched more than 205 at the time). With the improvement of Akkaev (210+245), one could easily expect from him a 202 snatch and 237+ cj (440+) in London. I readed an interview to Akkaev some months ago, he has returned slowly to training, and he plans to compete in Houston, and also he regain strength very fast (the people jokes about him, competing only one year before Olympics after resting, is a interview in russian with google translate).
Well, 447 was kinda crazy, i was excited about Ilyin and his 242. But i am sure that Ilya will need 442+ on Rio.
Nurudinov opened on 220 for his injury. After he knew everything was fine, he came to the race for gold. I said he lured him cause i saw him smiling with the face of “i got you” after the chinese failed the lift, not a face of “good i won”, but could be my imagination.
You forgot Dolega. I think he will drop down to 105 again, and do the first 222.5 snatch on his opener in Rio after failing his two first attempts at it (hahahahaha).
I don’t think it’s safe to assume that everyone’s gonna keep improving. Epic battles are epic because they’re so rare, and very rarely do they get more and more epic continuously. It’s very possible that this is the best 105 battle we’ll see in a decade or two. Nurudinov quite frankly looks old as fack for his age, so he may just peak early and be done soon. Ilyin’s truly awesome, but there will come a time when even he finds that he just isn’t able to get back into the groove anymore after a rest. It’d be a miracle if Akkaev returns to his 2011 form or if Aramnau gets close to his 2008 form again. And I think this likely will be the best performance of Bedzhanyan’s career. Remember this time last year when we all thought Apti was gonna explode and break the 85 record numbers? Well his spine exploded instead. It may be anti-climactic, but we may not see this kinda stuff again even in Rio.
I second that. Don’t be so overly optimistic. That was an outstanding performance by all of them. Ilyin probably has to work more on the snatch. It was damn close and I think Nuridinov did already 196 in competition.
I hope all three are in good shape in Rio and will deliver again such an epic battle. But things like 250 C+J are too far out I think.
depending on Akkaev’s injury he could hit 200/240…he hit 210/245 in training at 108kg and generally is a very mentally strong lifter at competition. his 198/236 wasn’t an absolute limit against Klokov. He definitley had 2kg more in the snatch…clean and jerk is more sketchy with him generally.
200/247 for Ilyin, 203/240 AT LEAST for Akkaev, Nurudinov with 200/245 … errr, what?! I understand that this years 105 competition provoked some dreaming but we all know that things will be very different on day X. Pre london we were all hyping the Klokov/Akkaev battle and the only question was by how many kilos the world records will be surpassed just to have our dreams crushed with REALITY. Let’s not lose our minds again.
I personally believe that if it had not been for Kazakhstan hosting the worlds championships, Ilya would not have even competed. Big guess but I think we will see him only compete one more time and that’s to crown himself as a three time gold Olympic gold medalist in Rio.
I highly doubt we will see Akkaev compete again and regarding Aramnau we have to be sceptical too. Until Rio there will be some new guys thrown into the mix.
197-200 snatch is possible for Ilyin. What I noticed about him is that he can predict what numbers he will lift a long time before he is going to lift them. He said he will go 185-230 in London, he said he will go 190-239 in Almaty. And he said he will snatch 200 in training in late 2014 – early 2015.
I am sure Ilya can make 197-245 in Rio. Maybe more. But I think Nurudinov can do taht as well.
In Klokov-Aramnau-Akkaev trio I would say Aramnau has a highest chance of coming back, then Akkaev. Highly doubt Klokov will return.
Yeah i don’t think Klokov will bother with going through the grind now. As much as I like him and i follow him he can’t touch any of these guys in C&J
He has to appear once more to qualify for Rio (new in this cycle) and it’s very likely going to be the WWC.
see page 2-3: http://www.iwf.net/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/05/2014-05-28-Rio-2016-Qualification-System-FINAL-Weightlifting-EN.pdf
Didn’t know that, thanks for clarifying!
Well, i was daydreaming with the numbers. Forget about this, is way too early to think about it, and also as Magneto said, London 2012 could happen again. I hope Ilya doesn’t compete next year, so he is fine for Rio.
Hi there; since I saw the (not so high) numbers in the SHW competition today, I was wondering wheter or not it would be possible for Ilya to conquer his 4th and the overall final weightclass?! (SHW that is) I know, I know, sounds like dreaming, but this is meant to be a serious question, because I don’t really know if you need to have a certain height or special bodyframe otherwise….(obv. you need some frame and size, but would Ilya be to small?) I would really appreciate if some of you could give your opinions about that!
If the Iranians don’t send Salimi or Bahadour to an Asian Games, Ilya can probably win the 105+ there. Otherwise, he just won’t be able to get past the big Russians and Iranians. They’ll murder him on the snatch and beat him by at least a few kilo on the clean and jerk. He can probably go 195+245=440 without weight limit. I doubt he can do more than that.
lol he’ll probably do more than that at 105.
Yeah, right? He could prolly do 245+300 drunk and high at 85… with 1 amputated leg LOL
To say that he wouldn’t be able to put more than 8 kgs on his total as a +105 is a severe underestimation of his capabilities.
He’s done 196 in training already, why would he not be able to do more than that at super? Not that he should get that heavy…. but say he just went crazy and did it I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t do 200+250
He did 196 pre-London, and went 185. Firstly, you can’t just get bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger. At some point, your skeletal frame cannot gain anymore strength from extra mass, otherwise all the 105+ would be focused on gaining body-weight all the time. So he’s doing 233 from 94, 242 from 105, probably 245-6 from 110+, but that doesn’t mean he goes 250 from 120, 260 from 130, 270 from 140… 300 from 200 etc… It just doesn’t go like that. Secondly, he almost didn’t get 242 this time and he enjoyed a significant boost from lifting at home. Also, he’s getting older. These factors together, I just don’t think there is much improvement room left for him. I think this competition has made people anticipate much much greater things in the future while in reality, this could easily be the peak for all 3 lifters.
Sound reasoning, but I hope and think that Nurudinov still has some room to improve. It’s going to be interesting to see if Ilyin can get any better. He should be able to snatch a bit more in competition.
Yes, Nurudinov maybe. He looked like he would still improve because of how sound his lifts were, but the only thing that would suggest against that is how old he looks. He’s age 22 but he looks like he’s 40 to me. People age at greatly different rates and while his numerical age is 22 and suggests that he’s young enough to improve, his biological age, as judging from his appearance, is much, much older and going fast. Looking at his pictures, he looked 23 in 2011, 26 in 2012, 30 in 2013 and damn near 40 this time around. If you add any kind of injury to that, things get very wobbly since the older you are, the harder it is to heal and the easier it is for old injuries to come back. Anyway, hope he can hang on to Rio.
Some lifters really look old compared to their actual age, but does that has to mean they are as old bodily as they look facially? But some of the younger lifters really look like they age quickly, look at Okulov for example. I would have thought he had aged many years if you compare his appearance to that of last year’s worlds.
I really like Nurudinov, he seems to have a passion for lifting, and so does Ilyin. Would be great if they kept on until Rio and pushed each other.
I like the idea of a 200kg Ilya walking round doing 300kg clean and jerks. That would show Chingiz whose boss
Dammit, who’s
Ilya can do more. He went from 75-80 kg totally out of condition (January 2014) to making 190+242 (his personal best, November 2014).
Those last few kilos on each movement just cannot be reached within such a short timeframe. I’d say Ilya had just enough time to recover his previous form and gain some use of his new bodyweight. He has not yet mastered the 11 kg of additional weight.
And I think that’s going to stay the same as Ilya takes another break and has to work back into the weight again. One reason why Ilyin always wins and doesn’t get injured is that he always lets his body rest and only competes when he’s really up for it. If he forced himself to continuously train and show up at every World’s, his record probably wont be so pretty. So I don’t see him changing this time either; he’ll be taking breaks and wokring back into it as opposed to training hardcore until Rio to find the last few ounces of strength he can get out of his 105 form.
I agree, it would not surprise me if these three all fail to lift more in the C&J in Rio.
The fact that so many WR’s were broken during the world’s in Kazakhstan suggests that the testing regime in the build up to and at the competition was perhaps not as rigorous as is usually the case for the Olympics, where far fewer WR’s tend to get broken.
Liao Hui had muscle definition and a body fat level more associated with an elite level bodybuilder than a olympic weightlifter. The only previous time i can recall him being so cut was during the worlds when he C&J 198kg and was subsequently disqualified and banned for failing a test.
This in addition to the fact the super heavyweights still lift much more than him. The super heavyweight class is the most extreme as it takes a lot of time to build that amount of mass. Think about it that he would need to weight at least 140 kg. Currently he is maybe at 110 outside of competition. Also one would have to look at his height whether he can carry that mass at all. According to wikipedia he is 1.74 m. Alexeyev was 1.86 m and weight 160 kg. And I believe Lovchev and the others are also rather tall for weightlifters.
So I don’t think that would be possible nor that it is the plan.
It was just unbeleivable, what a session,105’s! This is what competition is all about. I checked some past history, the great Zacharevcich, at 110 klio’s did the best ever, but obviously 5 kilo’s more body weight, and I don’t think testing was done, 1988,worlds. Yury did 210 snatch and 245 clean and jerk, for a 455 total. This was about three years after he completely dislocated one of his elbows. The Russian doctors, repaired it with synthetic ligaments, so all the more impressive. But, I can never remember a competition, like this 105′, back and forth, talk about balls!
That was the Olympic Games in Seoul and yes they did doping tests – you should ask the whole Bulgarian team about that 🙂 Forget the nonsense of old results were made by dope and today everything is pink. Ilya was – as all the others – preparing with full force and it’s alright. It’s so much the part of sport generally that is almost natural :D.
And yes you’re right: I think it was the best 105 kg competition ever.
In over 40 years of following the sport, first time i have ever seen a lifter break the C&J WR and end up with just a bronze – incredible contest – the atmosphere and tension was amazing during those final three WR lifts – first time i have ever seen Ilya actually look a little rattled such was the pressure he was under.
As for the 1988 Olympics – although he later tested positive – remember watching Bulgarian Angel Guenchev’ set 4 senior WR’s as a junior, topped by an astonishing 202.5kg C&J in the then 67.5kg weight class – heaviest man ever to lift three times bodyweight.
Wonderful achievements no doubt about it. Also it was a long time coming. WR should have been always over 240 in the c&j in heavyweight.
My assessment is that those three guys delivered not just the competition of the world championships but the best 105 kg comp ever. I was shouting so loudly that my wife woke up in the other side of the house 🙂
I predicted Nurudinov to get the gold if he’s healthy. He was whole and he denied the opportunity from himself to try to respond to Ilya at the end. I think Ilya lifted every single kg out of himself and couldn’t have done more. This fact makes him even more respectable. He delivered when it needed most and I truly appreciate that. Nurudinov was stronger this time ,more stabile. Ilya had those wobbling arms that he always had – I think because he’s very quick with the bar and can’t control it. The only competition I ever saw him with steady arms was the olympics in London. Of course the judges wouldn’t fail him at home. Benzanjan proved that he is real contender at last I am very happy for him. At the and it was like an auction. Moved up – moved up- moved up 🙂 Absolutely thrilling!
My prediction was wrong with Markov in the 85 kg but I still stick to it that he’s the best. He lost because of a momentary lapse of focus. In 94 kg Ivanov didn’t compete but if he did he would have been beaten by the two powerful kazakh guys. Also in the superheavy weight Lovchev would have won if he got his snatch right. There are days when it just doesn’t happen I know it from experience. Of course there are no if’s here and the champions deserve every praise. This will not change the fact that Markov,Nurudinov and Lovchev are the most promising lifters for me.
how many of ilya´s competitions have you seen when you say he always had wobbling arms? in fact that was only the case in 2011 and to a smaller extent in 2014. i think these were the competitions he was most nervous in/had the most pressure.
Did you watch the 2008 olympics?
I believe that in the interview afterwards, Ilyin admitted that he damn near broke his arm in that competition.
indeed. and when you are referring to his 2nd snatch i think that victor has already named the reason for his “wobbling arms”. i am pretty sure i have watched all of his international comps except 2006 asians.
No offence but I’ve seen attempts failed by the judges that were not even close to be a no lift. I am on the opinion that anyone who can apply that weight over their head,shouldn’t be failed at all 🙂 Ilya’s third snatch should have been failed in any competition no matter what. It seems to me that he’s a bit “first among equals”. He had wobbling arms when he won big titles. A harsher referee could have change his history I am sure.
i disagree but to discuss this would be a waste of time. however, judges making too harsh decisions to “no name lifters” is another story. i have seen a lot of attempts getting red lights for the slightest “errors” and in my opinion this is a big mess. it just does not bother enough people if lifter xyz end up on place 15 instead of place 12 or whatever. however, i will leave it with this.
I don’t think it’s about just 12-15 places. Intiqam Zairov in London for example.As I said I’d rather have them all as good lifts. I was talking about equal treatment to everyone. I know there are lots of Ilya fans here and this kind of talk will probably anger them but these things count. If Ilya didn’t get that 190 snatch – which was a no lift – he would be on 2nd or third place. You don’t want to discuss it and you have the right no to. It won’t change the fact I’ve just written down. I personally am very happy because Ilya got the 190. It made the competition a real exciting fight. In my opinion some wobble or small press out shouldn’t be a no lift but there are rules.
I agree, the press-out rule should be removed. It filled a purpose when the press was a competition lift, but since then there is no real reason not to allow press-outs. An efficient lifter won’t lift more with press-outs, it’s just a way to save lifts that are not as crisp as they could have been (my opinion).
did you ever see Chemerkin press out 250kg? seriously he pressed it from about 45 degrees it seemed. ( Olympics I think) that guy could practically military press all of his jerks hahahaha.
Yes, he had tremendous pressing power. I think there’s a video on Youtube where he cleans something like 230 kg, racks it with his arms only, the bar never touching the shoulders, and then jerks it from that position.
Yep I’ve seen that video…I assumed it might be some kind of injury seems inefficition to “hold” the bar like that but JESUS he was strong. I guess at 400lbs with a 262clean and jerk you can’t really be called weak? haha
No, he probably had more brute strenght than almost all lifters, then and today.
he was strong and HUGE…I don’t know enough about the clean and jerk to know the difference: but it would seem that resting the bar on the upper chest saves the triceps for the jerk?
It’s more about getting a solid paltform for the bar to rest on and being able to transfer the power generated by the legs. I’m no expert but a casual lifter, but my arms could never support a jerk the way Chemerkin does it in that video. I think this goes for almost all lifters. The bar needs to be on the shoulders to transfer the power from the legs.
I guess he was so huge he was resting his triceps on his belly:)
Let’s see you jerk 242kg without wobbly arms! He was in a lockout the whole time – it looked like a clean lift to me. However, the judges were REALLY letting Sedov’s lift slide. They gave him several lifts where it appeared he wasn’t locked out in the overhead position.
I said the 190 kg snatch was a no lift. Let’s see how I jerk 242?I think You lost the point of this conversation. If nobody could make an opinion unless he’s a world champion, there would be no comments at all. It doesn’t matter how heavy the weight you lift it should be at least acceptably good. Don’t fret I like Ilya too.
Haven’t seen a showdown like this since Naim Sulemanoglu vs. Valerios Leonidis
god DAMN, the smoothness of those lifts. i’m still awed at how he barely sets up and just rips the bar off the ground.
also, dat hairstyle. maybe his secret is having combed that morning? :p
Ive watched his video with all 6 lifts many times and it still hasnt gotten old. Ilya is a fuckin titan.
that was a spectacular win: Lu Yong doing 215 TWICE to win with a world record total. Just amazing. they both deserved gold.
Love watching his reaction, humbly acknowledging he is the best weightlifter of recent.
Just gonna leave it here.
http://sports.kz/news/ilya-ilin-starayus-ne-krivit-dushoy-a-byit-samim-soboy
Ilya says he is certain he will increase his CJ to at least 254 (sic!) by Rio and possibly do 260 kg.
Nurudinov just turned 23 and I see him really improving both his snatch&clean&jerk.Ilya has to improve to stay ahead of nurudinov, but I do not see anyone beating Ilya in the near future.