22 year old Lasha Talakhadze wins Gold in Rio!
215kg Snatch + 258kg Clean and Jerk for a New World Record Total of 473kg!
And all this despite of the Iranian crowd that kept booing after Behdad Salimi bombed. Lasha handled that like a boss.
Update 20.01.2017: Lasha’s 205, 210, 215kg Snatches in side by side slowmo comparison.
Update: Iranians are spamming the IWF instagram hard. Literally every post.
Even multiple death threats against specific IWF jury members have been posted! Here is just one of them.
They also hacked iwf.net.
215kg Snatch Video
258kg Clean & Jerk Video
Lasha Handling Hecklers Video
Lasha is a boss. Too confident to let that effect him.
Lasha is a boss. Too confident to let that effect him.
Loved that! Loved to being there when history was made. 473!!! Lasha really is the boss. Salimi’s cnj was a no lift in my opinion also, even if they had not reversed the call he had no chance for gold. Any respect I had for iranian “fans” is lost, probably forever. They have amazing lifters and I still will cheer for them, because unlike these “fans” that were in the audience today, I understand that lifters have nothing to do with some of their fans behavior. Except maybe Salimi today, he went pretty far, maybe too far, not sure how much could you see on tv. I expect hard consequencies. If Russia got banned from OG, I wanna see Iran feel the justified wrath of IWF too! No bias here, Rostami is one of my favorites, I really wanted Salimi to make the 3rd attempt (although it was clear he simply was not strong enough today to even think of hanging with Talakhadze), but what the Iranians did in the hall was nothing short of disgusting. Lasha was not to be influenced, but Aleksanyan probably was.
Me amigo…you are not at the position to judge Iranian fans…her 2nd c&j was completely correct…behind Russia ban and what they did today about Salimi I can see bad things…Salimi definitely was not in the shape to be a chance for gold but silver…be more kind..
You are right, I am in no position to judge them, but IWF is. Even if you are unsatisfied by the refereeing, this is not the way to go about it. I am not only speaking for myself (we had no lifter in the A group so I just wanted to enjoy the show), but the most of the hall was the same opinion, whether cheering for Reis, or both Georgians or Armenians, or simply for a fair competition. I talked to a unnamed coach after the competition from another nation (not influenced by the booing of Iranians) and he also expressed the sentiment that finally someone (meaning jury at this particular session) wasn’t afraid to put the foot down by making a call against Iran and deeming the no lift a no lift, although they had to be well aware of what will come after such decision. So again, this is not just my opinion (also very much is), but this is how felt a lot of people today there.
And obviously, you can have your opinion about the 2nd clean and jerk, I have mine, but bottom line is there are people qualified to make a decision, and they did. And the anger of Iranian fans towards Lasha or even Aleksanyan… simply ridiculous!
You are right, I am in no position to judge them, but IWF is. Even if you are unsatisfied by the refereeing, this is not the way to go about it. I am not only speaking for myself (we had no lifter in the A group so I just wanted to enjoy the show), but the most of the hall was the same opinion, whether cheering for Reis, or both Georgians or Armenians, or simply for a fair competition. I talked to a unnamed coach after the competition from another nation (not influenced by the booing of Iranians) and he also expressed the sentiment that finally someone (meaning jury at this particular session) wasn’t afraid to put the foot down by making a call against Iran and deeming the no lift a no lift, although they had to be well aware of what will come after such decision. So again, this is not just my opinion (also very much is), but this is how felt a lot of people today there.
And obviously, you can have your opinion about the 2nd clean and jerk, I have mine, but bottom line is there are people qualified to make a decision, and they did. And the anger of Iranian fans towards Lasha or even Aleksanyan… simply ridiculous!
I was pissed about Li Yajun’s first CJ attempt. 2 reds and 1 white, and I saw Roble’s for the women’s 75kg+ last CJ attempt that pretty much looked like Salimi’s 2nd attempt too. I missed Salimi’s first attempt but 2nd was definitely a press-out. Overall, I felt the judges have been inconsistent.
Robles’ should not have counted. She is the least impressive lifter in Rio. Barely clean and jerking above her bodyweight.
I completely agree. I watched the highlight and was disappointed with the Judges. They failed Salimi but passed Robles? Robbed Miyake of her 2nd CJ attempt as well. Idk, they fucked up quite a lot.
I was pissed about Li Yajun’s first CJ attempt. 2 reds and 1 white, and I saw Roble’s for the women’s 75kg+ last CJ attempt that pretty much looked like Salimi’s 2nd attempt too. I missed Salimi’s first attempt but 2nd was definitely a press-out. Overall, I felt the judges have been inconsistent.
Just look at Doha 2005 World Championships. It was the amazing Chigishev who got the same despicable treatment from guess who, the IRANIANS.
There is no debate here. Both his jerks were presses and shouldn’t have stood. I like Salimi but last night he disgraced himself and his country with his conduct. As for the fans on the stands they behaved like 3 yr olds that throw their toys out of the pram when mommy doesn’t show them love. I would expect a heavy sanction on Salimi and the Iranian coaching stuff and rightly so. It would be scandalous not to.
the second attempt was worse than the first. I thought if anything the first might have slid by…
I also noticed a slight press-out in the 2nd c&J the Judges were strict but not incorrect. However, they should be this strict with other lifts. It must have been horrible for Salimi to get 3 white lights which then get overuled later. However, in my opinion does not give the fans to behave like this. If they would have just booed when the lift was overruled it would still have been somewhat understandable as it was a slight press-out which is hard to notice, but to boo during the lifts of other lfiters is completely disrespectful. Surely not all the Iranian fans are like that, but the fans that were booing should be banned to visit weightlifting competions for several years if it was up to me.
Correction: *the right to behave like this*
Me amigo…you are not at the position to judge Iranian fans…her 2nd c&j was completely correct…behind Russia ban and what they did today about Salimi I can see bad things…Salimi definitely was not in the shape to be a chance for gold but silver…be more kind..
“Any respect I had for iranian “fans” is lost, probably forever”.
Really?
Did you lose respect for Brazilian because they made noise when their
pole vaulter was ahead and made noise so the French world record holder
lose concentration as well?who rubbed
I was not there, but this I witnessed live and no tv or reporters or whoever can present a different picture to me of how it went down. I saw exactly how.
But yes, after I read (did not yet watch nor was I there at vault comp live) what went on, I have no respect for those fans.
And I wrote Iranian “fans”. So not judging all Iranians or Iranian fans. But those who were there today and behaved like they did.
And I wrote Iranian “fans”. So not judging all Iranians or Iranian fans. But those who were there today and behaved like they did.
I was not there, but this I witnessed live and no tv or reporters or whoever can present a different picture to me of how it went down. I saw exactly how.
But yes, after I read (did not yet watch nor was I there at vault comp live) what went on, I have no respect for those fans.
I did (for both Iranian and Brazilian fans). These idiots only understand football and should not appear in other sport venues before they learn to behave.
I did (for both Iranian and Brazilian fans). These idiots only understand football and should not appear in other sport venues before they learn to behave.
“Any respect I had for iranian “fans” is lost, probably forever”.
Really?
Did you lose respect for Brazilian because they made noise when their
pole vaulter was ahead and made noise so the French world record holder
lose concentration as well?who rubbed
Loved that! Loved to being there when history was made. 473!!! Lasha really is the boss. Salimi’s cnj was a no lift in my opinion also, even if they had not reversed the call he had no chance for gold. Any respect I had for iranian “fans” is lost, probably forever. They have amazing lifters and I still will cheer for them, because unlike these “fans” that were in the audience today, I understand that lifters have nothing to do with some of their fans behavior. Except maybe Salimi today, he went pretty far, maybe too far, not sure how much could you see on tv. I expect hard consequencies. If Russia got banned from OG, I wanna see Iran feel the justified wrath of IWF too! No bias here, Rostami is one of my favorites, I really wanted Salimi to make the 3rd attempt (although it was clear he simply was not strong enough today to even think of hanging with Talakhadze), but what the Iranians did in the hall was nothing short of disgusting. Lasha was not to be influenced, but Aleksanyan probably was.
Last 6 minutes of session, audience view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEBCQ-pRng
The video is from the same area I was watching the session (not mine though). Yes, that’s exactly how it went down. It was not a nice sight to watch and enjoy, let me tell you.
The video is from the same area I was watching the session (not mine though). Yes, that’s exactly how it went down. It was not a nice sight to watch and enjoy, let me tell you.
Last 6 minutes of session, audience view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEEBCQ-pRng
Hands down Talakhadze was the best overall lifter there.
Salimi did not do so well at last meet in Tehran, 235 CJ. Iran coach should have started him at lower weight, maybe 235 and secure a medal. I see their point of starting at higher weight. They could have picked 243 kg same as Talakhadze. Salimi had a kilo advantage at that point.
I really thought 460 for total is needed for bronze. I was wrong.
I agree with this assessment. Not a good attempt selection by the coaching staff when Salimi isn’t in the best form. I recon 245 is the weight he usually starts out with when he is in full health.
Here’s hoping that he recovers fully and we see a real showdown in the near future with the two Russians in the mix as well.
Salimi was still injured, if you watch the video of the last meet in Tehran the 235kg was not really a clean and jerk, he power cleaned 235kg it which is a huge weight to power clean. His torn ACL and damage to the knee is not healed fully. He should be back in another year and then we should really see his true potential. The coaches should not of take him to the olympics really the psychological damage by not performing is quite hard for an athlete to overcome. Unfortunately Iranian coaching decision over the last 2 years has been very questionable, this lead to molai injury in the first place and now to behdad being humiliated. This is why Rostami chooses to train alone without a coach. There needs to be a coaching upheaval in iran. I just saw sohrab moradi destroyed two free chances by making miss lifts, behadad did a similar thing at the last olympics. I have never seen such behaviour from other countries coaching, an athlete would die for two free lifts to break olympic record. Sohrab melted mentally and flopped, he had a chance to break the world record and clearly had the potential too, some really bad coaching decision, really bad. Iranian powerlifter siamand rahman, has been waiting 3 years to break the 300kg record at the Olympics on the recommendation of his coaches, he reported in a interview his coaching staff have told him to break the 300kg record at the olympic and not at the world IPC meets for the prestige because its such a big event. Its absolutely ridiculous coaching decisions.
Hands down Talakhadze was the best overall lifter there.
Salimi did not do so well at last meet in Tehran, 235 CJ. Iran coach should have started him at lower weight, maybe 235 and secure a medal. I see their point of starting at higher weight. They could have picked 243 kg same as Talakhadze. Salimi had a kilo advantage at that point.
I really thought 460 for total is needed for bronze. I was wrong.
Talakhadze is amazing…super stoked for him. Such a beast!. I can’t wait to see him and Lovchev battle again in the future. I think we’re going to see 200kg snatch soon. WOW.
Dude we saw a 215kg snatch last night… maybe you mean 220? It looks doable both Salimi and Lasha’s attempts looked very easy for WR
yep meant 220kg…DOH:)
Talakhadze is amazing…super stoked for him. Such a beast!. I can’t wait to see him and Lovchev battle again in the future. I think we’re going to see 200kg snatch soon. WOW.
First off, big ups to Lasha for the superb performance!
He really brought it in that competition even after securing the gold.
On the crowd:
I was getting pissed by all the inconsistent judging and the overall lack of preparation in Rio, but this disrespectful bunch takes the cake as the single worst thing about the whole competition.
AND these guys have the nerve to spam BS on the instagram.
Seriously, what is wrong with them?
Seeing Salimi congratulating Talakhadze on his WR was a stark contrast to the kind of behavior that these fake fans are showing.
First off, big ups to Lasha for the superb performance!
He really brought it in that competition even after securing the gold.
On the crowd:
I was getting pissed by all the inconsistent judging and the overall lack of preparation in Rio, but this disrespectful bunch takes the cake as the single worst thing about the whole competition.
AND these guys have the nerve to spam BS on the instagram.
Seriously, what is wrong with them?
Seeing Salimi congratulating Talakhadze on his WR was a stark contrast to the kind of behavior that these fake fans are showing.
As per my post I am ashamed of their behaviour. No excuse but to put things into context their has been quite some controversy with the judging in the wrestling (greco-roman) which is Iran’s second best hope for medals. I suspect many people are pissed off and taking their anger out whenever they percieve further injustices.
I too was pleased to see Salimi congratulating Talakhadze. We (Iranians) typically like to see our sportsman take victory and defeat with good grace. So the behaviour of the so-called fans is embarassing.
I only hope IWF does not ban us 🙁
I am from Iran and was disappointed with the reaction of the Iranian fans in the audience. Their behaviour and unsportsmanlike conduct reflects badly on all of us.
I think the Iranian coaches should have come in at a lower weight to at least secure a medal (or attempt to).
In Behdad’s defence his ACL followed by a further injury as illustrated by the youtube link I’ve attached hindered his C+J which meant that he had to change his technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeQ–soa-aw
When all is said and done I doubt Behadad would have beaten Talakhadze in the form he was in. Tremendous performance and a well deserved gold!
PS. I only hope for the sake of the sport that this time round Talakhadze was clean (I realise this sentiment is not always reflected by all who follow this “sport”).
I feel bad for Toychyeev. Either his coaches royally bungled his Rio experience, or he lost faith. Either way, it was sad to see. He was obviously devastated. He had made a lot of progress and is one of the more promising athletes for Turkmenistan, now that Daniyar Izmayilov left them.
About Lasha getting booed by Iranian’s: Well I think there’s something about religion there, since Lasha always does the sign of the cross.
VERY UNLIKELY religion had absolutely nothing to do with their bad behaviour, they were just shocked that their champion was eliminated unfairly to them. Iran has a large population of Armenian Christians with their own churches, there are over 600 churches in Iran.
As a Iranian myself, the reaction of the Iranian fans towards other weightlifting competitors was unacceptable and really uncharacteristic of Iranian generally, its not fair to judge all iranian fans by these few morons. Some of the decision in other sports that Iran has been good at has been despicable, specially wrestling, it would seem someone did not want Iran to dominate those events like it has been doing over the last few years and there is no denying this. Sports has too much politics involved in it, Just look at the recent treatment of Russians. Everybody in the Olympics is using steroids or performance enhancing compounds in one way or another. But lets not get into that discussions. An still unrecovered Salimi managed to take snatched world record and he should be back stronger in a years time, its clear he needed more time for recovery. He seriously injured himself with a 262kg in training and underwent surgery but he should be back much better and stronger in a year or two then this fight should really take off. There is no doubt there is some really good competitors to salimi but from all that I have seen Salimi has the biggest potential of all the current major heavyweight powerlifter but unfortunately he has suffered from the HUGE mismanagement of the weightlifting committee and lack of money due to sanctions in iran and also some bad luck with injuries. Although tough, iran will retain its heavyweight record for the foreseeable future given all things are optimal, salimi has lots left in the tank.
Just a tangent to the above great discussion (yes I appreciate difference of opinions that is how things get better IMO), It is is 21st century. We have instant replays from four different angles. Why can’t the 5 person Jury have access to this technology?
This was brought up by BBC & NBC lady commentator/analyzer. Let’s do it IWF.
In addition, I was under impression that only Two to One (2 good – one red) lifts goes to jury.
At best the referring has been inconsistent.
Efremov’s second C+J was 2 red 1 white for what was deemed to be a very marginal pressout of his right arm.
Salimi gets 3 white but gets referred to the jury.
But to top it off Robles third lift was no different to Salimi’s … no referral.
Now some may say that this is sour grapes … and if you wish to accuse me of that then I’ll take it on the chin with a smile on my face.
But I agree there is the technology and it should be implemented. We can clearly not rely on the 3 judges alone anymore.
See you all at the next world championships … hopefully lessons can be learnt but I’m not holding my breath.
The jury judge all lifts, 3 whites, 2-1, 1-2 and 3 reds, and can overturn all of them.
The jury will only intervene when there is majority decision among the jury in opposition with the referees.
However, only when all jury members are in agreement will a lift be overturned (once an intervention occurs, they will discuss amongst themselves and can choose to do nothing if they are not all in agreement).
As an Iranian “fan”:
1) Lasha! Congratulations! you were the best.You are Olympic champion and well deserved for gold.
2) Those Iranians who behaved respectfulness in the event are not actually wheighlifting fans.Nobody can appove what they did.
3) I hope we see the competition in the future between Salimi, Talakhadze, Albegov, Louvchev and Alihosseini!!
Yes Alihosseini will come back next year and hope to see him in Asian Games 2018.
Again, Lasha was the best and can keep to be best .He is younger than the others.Of course Gor Minasyan is coming.
YES. couldn’t agree more I want to see Salimi, Talakadzhe, Lovchev and Albegov go toe to toe…definitely would be world records broken! 220kg snatch 265kg clean and jerk
is Alihosseini really returning? where did you hear this, do you have a link to this news? he will be 29 next year is that really wise, he would be reaching the end of his prime time but if he can lift the weights then he can lift the weights. But here is a video of ailhosseini dong 260kg from many years ago, there is no doubt that if he was not banned for 12 years he would of had nearly all world records, his potential was unmatched even by salimi.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFZdtE-MMlc/
He is coming back.
He is not banned for 12 years anymore.per new regulation it is 8 years so next year on Oct is the time to see him again
He was the only option to go beyound 480
See iriwf.ir .
isn’t it fascinating that two guys broke the world record total in two years? I’m thinking in relation to the reset of weight classes back in the day. Definitely seems like guys are getting better at the snatch in the SHW class. Not many 260+ clean and jerks still.
Is he related to the former SHW lifter Koba Talakhadze (*1967, could be his father)?
Hey you there, that’s correct!
http://www.ekhokavkaza.com/a/27932169.html