Just after he won gold in Rio, Nijat Rahimov (77kg) posted this 180kg Snatch and 217kg Clean & Jerk on his insta!
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Just after he won gold in Rio, Nijat Rahimov (77kg) posted this 180kg Snatch and 217kg Clean & Jerk on his insta!
Related: Watch Lu Xiaojun Snatch 180kg too
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How he failed to manage 168 at the stage yet 180 in training baffles me. His C&J record makes a lot more sense though after seeing this.
Farewell dear Xiaojun era and into Rahimov, a worthy successor as a “ilya” type of representative for Kazakhstan.
Ilya was exactly the same – relatively routine 200kg snatches in training, yet struggled to lift 190kg in competition.
Rahimov was banned for two years in 2013 after failing a test while competing for Azerbaijan, another country with longstanding doping problems. Rahimov was one of 18 Azerbaijanis busted that year. Rahimov was born in Azerbaijan and recently moved to Kazakhstan to compete on its weightlifting team.
From the very top in Kazakhstan, laughably, the message is to keep calm and focus on the Games. “Your job is to win, to fight,” President Nazarbayev told Kazakhstan’s Olympians at a July 4 meeting, urging the athletes not to be concerned with “the situation with all these anti-doping measures that are simply incomprehensible to many.” So there you have it – Nazarbayev seems to believe anti doping controls should be banned because they are too complicated to understand, rather than the cheating athletes they are designed to catch!
Clueless, totally clueless!
Small hands. Same with Okulov.
waiting for ferris to comment….not impressed haha
kaz is a big doping nation considering how many got popped.
Are u jealous that Kazakhstan have many talented youngsters? And Is not a doping nation. Just shut your mouth up, it is just a politics game
Kaz has many banned athletes and no gold medals. Where is your proof there is no doping? Surely not the 32 doping busts in the past 8 years right?
Why no gold? Are u just kidding me? Rahimov. And 4 our athletes have been officially banned. The justice is yet to come
Kaz use old time drugs like anavar and stanzolol. It is not politics. They need to understand this is a new era of weightlifting and they are polluting it with their silly stunts. He will share the same fate as Ilya ilyin!!!
And dehydrochloromethyltestosterone
Talented youngsters??? LOLOL It seems you may not know that Kazakhstan purchases its talent. Rahimov is not even from Kazakhstan and neither are Maneza, Chinshanlo, or Podobodeva. You purchase talent, give them drugs, then wait for them to be disqualified. That’s why every Kazakh Olympic gold medal in the past 8 years has been stripped.
Politics? You are RIGHT! But not the way you want to be. Why is Russian weightlifting banned from the Olympics and Kazakhstan not banned despite having 5 (all) weightlifting gold medals in the past 8 years stripped? They should serve the same fate as Russia. At least, it should be so that no Kazakh lifter who has ever tested positive may compete. But no, they got NO penalty at all! What’s the excuse? The IOC says it’s because they couldn’t process the disqualifications quickly enough?? Hahaha what kind of excuse is that? I’ll process all the paperwork in 1-2 days guaranteed. That is politics. That’s Kazakhstan cheating on a different level than just doping.
Ilya ilyin is not from kaz too
Are you serious??? Where is he from? Good God! Does Kazakh weightlifting have NO talents at all?? Are Kydrybaev and Uteshov (both banned LOL) from Kazakhstan?
He is born Russian family. Same with VLADMIR sedov n
Kydyrbayev and Uteshov are both ethnic Kazakhs and they’ve been born in Kazakhstan. So have been Zhazira Zhapparkul and Karina Goricheva too.
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Yes he is. He was born in Kyzylorda, Kazakhstan in a family of Russian minority. He isn’t a ethnic Kazakh but he has been born and raised in Kazakhstan.
Kharki is Han Chinese (He Zhichun); Chontey was born in KGZ but learned WL in China for the first like 10 years, Zaichikov is from Belarus.
I knew about Kharki; I thought Chontey looked off but didn’t investigate. Now I’m learning that Zaichikov, Ilyin, and Sedov are all foreign. Oh my goodness. Does Kazakhstan have no shame? No pride in its own people? It’s entire team is foreign!!
Plot twist: Alexey Ni is not ethnic Kazakh as well.
On a serious note, Kazakhstan is multinational country like Russia or China. It has a significant Russian and Korean minorities including Ilyin, Zaichikov, Sedov, Ni and so on. It doesn’t mean they are not Kazakhstani.
To be fair they brought a lot of foreign lifters from outside. I don’t see anything wrong with that. They give athletes opportunity they would never have.
Another plot twist: Oleg Chen is from Kazakhstan (Russian mother and Korean father).
I pretty much figured out Ni was Chinese by his name but didn’t mention him cus plenty of countries hire outside coaching for their own athletes.
I’m against buying foreign athletes because to me, that says you just want a gold medal and don’t care how you get it. You’re supposed to be showcasing the talent of your nation; that’s why your national flag goes up, not just the dude’s name. And also, getting outside talent, to me, is like admitting the guys from your country aren’t good enough to work with. Imagine how much jeering we would see if China won the 100m with a Jamaican or the marathon with a Kenyan wearing the Chinese flag! Even Chinese people would curse their officials for that meaningless medal.
Alexey Ni is Korean 😀
Now imagine American born Chinese competing for China. Tibetan representing China. Mongol from Inner Mongolia representing China. Are you ok with that?
Some of the athletes from China are claimed to be Dungan people and it might be justifiable to represent Kazakhstan for them.
Another motivation might be that they want to boost the moral of the national team.
Talent pool in Kazakhstan is nowhere near to talent pool in China. I don’t think it hurts local athletes if several foreign born competitors represent their country.
Ni is Korean? Huh… never heard that last name used in Koreans before. Crazy how excited he gets shouting “Kazakhstan numba ONE!” when he’s Korean LOL
Of course I’m ok with that; they’re all Chinese! Who in his right mind would say that athletes from Tibet/Inner Mongolia can’t represent China? That’s like saying athletes from California can’t represent the US! Now if China actually purchased a Mongolian from Mongolia, I call BS on that.
Boosting the moral of the team is for cheerleaders; winning all the medals for them does not qualify as simply boosting their moral. The foreigners are the real athletes and the locals are the cheerleaders in Kazakhstan’s case.
He was born and raised in Kazakhstan. There is nothing wrong about him being patriotic.
What about buying American born Chinese athlete?
You should probably read about Dungan people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_people
First of all, are there any American-born Chinese representing China?? Second, that’s good by me; genetically, he’s Chinese. That’s retrieving what’s yours after 1 generation.
There is an abnormal obsession with where someone is born! If a cow is born in a tree, does that make it a bird? No; we are what we are, as dictated genetically.
I did give it a read about the Dungans. OK, it’s murky now, but it still seems they are mostly considered Chinese. Zhao ChangLing (Chinshanlo) was, after all, purchased from China’s team and severely doped up until she was disqualified.
Kazakhstan is a petro dollar economy led by a human rights abusing Dictator masquerading as an elected president: who shamelessly uses the Nation’s oil wealth to corrupt international sport for political ends.
Its not just weightlifting – their pro cycling team Astana – is just as bad !
Would not surprise many familiar with the kazakh political regime, if money changed hands to ensure a slow processing of the disqualifications !
just shut up daniyar. no one is coming to your defense. kaz is a doping pro. like the kazakhstan coach said….kaz number one……number cheat and number one dopers!
Rahimov only recently came off his last doping ban. He was banned from 2013-2015. Only a matter of time before he gets popped again.
All Kazakhstan does is buy athletes from foreign countries, give them Kazakh names, then dope them up, have them enjoy the victory party, then wait for them to get busted. All their Olympic champs from 2008-2012 (and many more) were busted and stripped of their medals. Embarrassing, pathetic, and an insult to the IOC. If Rahimov tests positive, they need to ban Kazakhstan for 3 straight Olympic cycles so they finish up with this funny shhit. Lu might get the gold after all but it just ain’t the same.
Bud Charniga says in his article that many of those banned in 2013 were not included in the national testing pools in 2013 in 2014 or 2015. And we see them returning in 2015 with about 30 kg addition to their previous bests. These are Rahimov, Zaichikov, Ulanov, Talakhadze, Minasyan
This is some Moradi level stuff. Hope he continues to improve.
Why dislike him because of his ban? Because he bet your crush? Like lu is clean?
All the hate/criticism he is getting is rather disappointing. I wonder if the same people hating on him also hated on Liao Hui every time he won something after being caught.
I didn’t hate on Liao, but I was pretty disappointed. Took awhile for him to earn back my respect. Given Kazahkstan’s seemingly utter disregard for PEDs and his past ban, it sure seems suspicious, but as long as Rahimov passes his tests, I’ll be ok with it.
LAIO is not in the Olympics because of his previous doping ban. China threw their best man under the bus to send a clean team to rio. No such honor amongst kaz thieves and crooks!!!!!
Liao Hui isn’t coming out of a TEAM BUST with ALL Olympic gold medals within the last 2 Olympic cycles stripped. If China had half as many busts, I’d tell them to stop their program cus it’s embarrassing.
I’m really sick of this bashing of athletes and especially of staggering hypocrisy of other athletes and fans. Keeping more quiet now may save a lot of embarrassment later, for Mohamed Ehab (otherwise a nice guy) or Chinese fanboys. I like most Chinese weightlifters very much, always been a huge fan of Liao Hui and a bit sad about Lu now, but the fact that the list of sanctioned Chinese athletes is currently way shorter than other weightlifting countries (for better planning, smarter drug choices, politics or whatever) may not last forever – we have seen that too many times already.
So it may be better to be more humble and respect the results of all athletes.
Respect for insane steroid dosages?
Respect for acne ridden and balding men in the early twenties?
Respect for transgender looking women with male voices?
LOL
Please define the moderate steroid dosage up to which the athlete should be respected, and over it to call him a cheat.
Do you know who is clean – Tom Goegebuer, 41old, 20years competing, results 20% less than the WR. I believe he is the clean deal, and all other respectful athletes that made the choice to be up to this level. Neither Lu, nor even Mohamed are clean – let’s bash them too? Or wait until got popped.
High steroid dosages visibly/audibly change athletes, both men and women in ways mentioned.
Acne, balding, female virilization, voice changes are very common in Soviet/Bulgarian based systems. These sometimes drastic changes aren’t even considered a problem there apparently.
They are less common in Western European and Asian systems.
From this alone we can already tell who uses steroids to what extent. Doping isn’t binary, if country A only uses 50% of the dosages of country B they’re also proportionally weaker.
Underlying this we have statistics. AZE had 24, KAZ 23 bans in the last four years, CHN had 2. Not even counting all the re-tests.
These subjective impressions and objective numbers are connected!
If KAZ has 20 lifters and 5 lucky ones don’t fail the test I should respect them?
So if I understand you correctly, it’s about the dosages and extent of usage. So moderately applied steroids preserving the good looks of athletes are acceptable in order to keep them in the “respected” category? Like “a little” doped weightlifters with focus on anabolic effect vs. “heavily” doped ones with androgenic issues.
And I would not rely that much on numbers – there are too many other variables to stay out of the sanctions list, some of them quite surprising. Even just the development of better methods to detect turinabol and stanozolol changed these numbers drastically. Or the accessibility of western doping cops to teams for random off-season testing (Sofia is 2 hours flight from Cologne; how long is to Hubei?)
No, it’s not about 100% bad, 80% ok. It’s about being able to tell that there are obvious differences in the world. And pretending that everyone is as reckless as Kazakhstan is laughable.
China’s system isn’t clean, but evidently it’s much different. South Korea never had a positive, yet they had/have some great lifters. Or Japan, just won another bronze.
Can Kazakhstan even win a bronze without their appearance-altering steroid regimen?
And their athletes often look worn out. No, I don’t mean how handsome they are. They look wasted, like drug addicts. Because most likely they are in a way.
I’m getting your point but you are walking on a really thin ice here, because it is quite subjective.
Sure many countries have had great lifters and got medals from Olympics and Worlds but the top elite (I mean WR and close to WR holders), including Chinese – abuse PEDs significantly. You can’t just put a redline up to what level of PED usage is good and over that is bad, based on appearance – because it’s subjective and probably we will never know exactly the specific drugs, dosages, etc of a specific athlete, so we can evaluate it as acceptable or not. Results and side effects are also not linearly dose-related and depend on personal physiology.
For example during golden 1980’s years under Ivan Abadjiev these same Bulgarians that you don’t love much used way less steroids as types and quantities than after 90’s – I know that from insiders (believe it or not), and you can see a lot of still unbeaten results from that time.
Unfortunately it is only a speculation what is the maximum humanly possible without steroids. Russian trainers have said that it is not that hard for a gifted and hard-working athlete to achieve numbers for International Master of Sports level (which is 20% less the WR), and probably up to 10 percent more. I don’t know if Kazakhstan can get to bronze without steroids – I guess they never tried 😉 Maybe Ilyin could easily, before steroids he had great talent and worked hard, if we remove 10-15% from his best results, they are still very good. But if we have to strip steroid factor also from his competitors, to be fair.
“Little” doped (talking about steroids) seems to me like “little” pregnant – i.e. nonsense. Once you have gone through a cycle, you are not clean any more – these muscles and strength you are getting will distort your results forever. The fact that the Chinese have not got caught means only that their complete system is much smarter, not that they use “less” steroids.
Either bash every elite weightlifter, or bash no one. What if Rahimov is 9 months a year on 800 mg steroids daily, and our favorite Lu is just 3 months a year on 400 mg daily? Does it make Lu eligible for respect, and Rahimov – not eligible? Or we should also assess their acne, hair composition and overall tone to include in the criteria.
By the looks of it rahimov didn’t cycle off at all. He wanted gold all or nothing. I think he will be caught soon. I give him a month.
Well, his snatch was off by 15kg from his training.
It’s average kaz technique. Make a low but good snatch and then clean and jerk anything. Conserves energy. It’s what Ilya ilyin does.
Then shouldn’t he take 1 snatch (165-170), then throw the other 2 attempts out? Someone who takes all 3 but fails the highest one doesn’t seem to be trying his best to conserve.
I assume you’re Eastern. Sorry, but you don’t understand. Politically, I’m not anti-Russian at all.
But this is a sport. I’m tired of this shit, and so is most of the world. This is not a conspiracy. The world is tired of seeing “women” like Podobedova show up to competitions.
EVERYONE in Kazakhstan is subject to the same doping. It shows in their men and women. Nobody there has any idea how to train without these dosages. There is nothing to salvage.
And no, if *plenty* of other lifters show no signs of steroid abuse in their appearance it doesn’t mean they’re just as guilty. If Kakaks need 5x the dosage they’re not better lifters. This is insanity.
Fuck this system. You can’t even tell who’s talented and who isn’t. It’s all distorted.
Also, I wouldn’t care at all if the entire current Chinese team gets banned if it would entail no more roidfaces, from any country, ever. I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.
To be fair to Podobedova and other female Kazakhstani lifters, Xiang Yanmei looks somewhat manly.
But majority of Chinese female lifters like Deng Wei look very feminine to me.
You have to respect the system. If you think that system doesn’t work well enough then propose constructive solution.
Do you want to start banning by the athlete’s look? If majority of people support you go ahead and start the change. Otherwise it is annoying to read your whining.
First, you don’t watch enough women’s WL or don’t know what virilization entails. “Steroid women” have a specific look, Xiang isn’t like this at all. Her voice is also womanly (you can listen to her on YT).
Secondly, dismantle the IWF. Nobody in charge actually cares about anti-doping. The existing measures have been forced on them first by the IOC and later WADA. Ajan is a crook of the highest order, he’s been on top since the 70s all through the untested era. He doesn’t give a crap either way.
There’s documented evidence that they covered up positive tests by Kolecki and Rezazadeh. Going by what happened in the last months, probably for other people as well.
And it’s not just Ajan. Fun fact: the western Euro countries in the EWF voted to completely decouple the doping tests from the IWF and hand them over to WADA to manage, since the current system evidently doesn’t work. The director general of the IWF repsonded by calling this silly and misguided, saying the IWF would not agree to such a proposal.
Or look at who’s an official, e.g. Nicu Vlad, Kurlovich, Dimas. All of them weren’t cleaner than Rahimov (inb4 “but they’ve never failed!” – we all know they used).
Cut everyone’s pay by half and use the funds to carry out completely independent tests. Contracting the Kazakh NADO to carry out tests is not worth commenting on.
Ban coaches and national officials. How the hell can Ni even be in Rio? He’s ultimately responsible for like 40+ bans in the last decade.
Ban coaches of positive lifters who were minors at the time for life. Pressure criminal proceedings here. It’s just as awful as giving a 16y old girl meth.
Ban federations, period. A country running up X number of positives in a year is automatically banned for the next (this number should be reasonably low, e.g. 6).
I’d change things up alright.
Thanks, it looks way more constructive than previous posts about Rahimov.
I support the idea of several independent agencies and federations getting the same samples for tests.
There should be some redistribution of power in testing.
Like this quote “Ban coaches of positive lifters who were minors at the time for life. Pressure criminal proceedings here. It’s just as awful as giving a 16y old girl meth.”
Yup that’s pretty much the way to go if want a cleaner sport.
How would you handle positives? One ban, out for life?
One ban, out for life would be good, however the banned substances list has to be carefully revised. Because in its current form it’s one of the major flaws of the system. The effect of anabolic androgenic steroids is pretty much incomparable with any other shit. Maybe more complex differentiation between types of substances? AAS – for life, other – to be defined.
So – one more step – revision of the prohibited substances list.
What about new methods – rumors about genetic manipulation are starting to circulate…
4 years is fine for steroids, it’s one Olympic cycle.
Really, the underlying WADA system isn’t totally broken for WL. It’s just in the wrong hands. It’s probably also underfunded to handle higher frequency testing for high priority lifters.
Importantly the testing, at least in a country like KAZ, always has to be carried out by people independent of the local NADO.
The recent Russian athletics example, i.e. when UK testers went there and encountered all kinds of non-compliance, would be 100% transferable to KAZ WL, I’m convinced.
There have been zero training failures annnounced by the IWF in the last 7 months in the run up to the Olympics. Not just KAZ, anyone. That’s impossible if testing is actually independent and working as intended.
I would sign immediately under that. Especially about the part of dismantling the corrupt IWF before everything else.
A few more suggestions:
During the first several transitional years, enforce the persistent presence of the independent testing entities at all national preparation camps on-site for at least 2-3 months before any IWF(the new fresh IWF of course)-sanctioned event, with all athletes mandatory included in the testing pool on unpredictable testing schedule [detailsTBD], with officials on rotational principle.
Testing agencies should also be completely independent, i.e. not WADA which is also compromised for different reasons.
I don’t like the idea of unpredictable testing schedule. Some athletes will be tested more often and others won’t.
Is it possible to schedule sampling every 2 month for example. In this case all athletes would be in equal conditions. Even if they would use steroids, they wouldn’t use as much of it and all athletes would be on about the same level of PEDs.
Is it reasonable suggestion?
Nah, I’m thinking unpredictable surprise testing, BUT, all athletes get the same number of tests so you don’t know when it’s coming, but you’re also tested and equal number of times. It’s too easy to cycle if you’re telling them when the tests are coming.
Yes, exactly. Remember, we want to build the perfect system and kill any chance for doping, not just to ensure somewhat lower level 😉
So, we need to close any gaps in the current system. Here is how current systematic doping works and where I think major holes are (for sure there are some national specifics but I believe this is the typical process).
(Important note: great talent and complete dedication to hard work are key anyway. If one of these is missing, sooner or later the athlete will drop out, so once again think before bashing someone).
1. Promising young talents run through their first heavy cycles on the hardcore stuff (nandrolone, etc) quite early, unfortunately, for initial mass and strength building in addition to natural potential.
The issue is that during the time as juniors the athletes are not so visible on the radar of international anti-doping authorities. I don’t know exactly how junior testing works now, but I’m sure that much less resources and effort are being focused on that, respective much easier to cover up.
– So, the objective 1 is to seriously shift to and emphasize testing on the youth and junior level.
2. There are off-season and base period windows during which the athletes have the possibility to run on heavy stuff without being properly tested.
Where are the main gaps: testing by national labs is utterly unreliable, not only in Kazakhstan and Russia, but also in China – sorry China fans.
There are many cases when the one-day notice random testing is practically compromised – due to corruption, logistics, etc. (you don’t imagine that doping cops inform Astana team today and tomorrow they are waiting in front of the door of the gym, don’t you).
– So, the objective 2 is to eliminate possible windows for athletes to workaround the random testing during base periods and off-season
3 Pre-competition periods.
I believe here is the main difference between smarter teams and dumber ones. I suspect that smarter ones just stop the hardcore ancient staff completely and move only to substances with very short life, and respectively, very hard to detect. For example pure testosterone in some short-life forms – it’s a pain in the ass (pun not intended) to juice every day, instead of saturate the body once a week with the long-life drugs, but this is virtually undetectable unless tested pretty much daily.
– Objective 3 – prevent usage of quickly absorbed drugs. Here is the place for on-location persistent presence and random but frequent and unpredictable testing.
4. Corruption and all related like tolerating and covering current favorites, bribes and all this really disgusting shit.
We already discussed that.
5. New designer drugs/methods – I don’t have any info on that, but I’m sure that some labs and chemists are playing with known steroids to modify them so that they can pass current testing methods. But let’s keep this in the conspiracy theory area for the time being until some reliable information appears.
This is a bit simplified, but those are my 2 cents.
And this is really my last note, sorry for all the spam today.
If we fight for clean sport, I want it also in at least all strength, speed, power and endurance sports, including non-Olympic like football (american) and crossfit and to ALL countries with the same rules and strict processes. Otherwise it will be funny, you know – the clean medalist in WL in 85 struggles with 150 in the snatch, just 7-8kg more than Mat Fraser (2016 crossfit champion) who even does not train it specifically, or an average NFL player outsquats the same category weightlifter.
And be prepared for some other outcomes – it may kill the sport due to lack of interest of mediocre results, or it just simply won’t work for practical and financial reasons.
All the best.
Yes, I’m “Eastern”. Not Russian, but even worse – I’m Bulgarian, for all that matter. However I don’t think I allowed myself to be subjective (okay, except maybe some bias to Boyanka and some historical records from the 80s 😉
Not sure if you are getting me right. I have NEVER said that I like, approve or support steroid use (also never used myself), including state-sponsored, commercial-sponsored, personal choice or whatever.
I’m saying that that’s the current situation as it is and has been for decades for elite professional sports. So at least we have to be fair and to measure the athletes with the same objective measure, assuming that they are playing on the equal playing grounds.
Do you really think that ANY athlete/coach from ANY country on top elite level seeing any chances for WR/Gold from Olympics would say “I’m screwed…. I’ve hit a plateau and really can’t train more than current 6 hours per day; but I will not increase my steroid dosage, because it’s not healthy and moral to do so. Better be second or third but to stay at 300 mg because I don’t want to get acne”. It’s just not how the motivation behind these guys works.
I’ve said it numerous times, including in a different post in this thread – fuck the system, I’m also ready to ditch the whole history of sports if someday for some reason the pro sport becomes REALLY clean (i.e. the strongest PED used is organic parsley juice or so).
I feel like Kazakhstan abuses PEDs on much higher level than many other countries but win is the win. As long as he is not caught doped during the competition you can’t claim that he doesn’t deserve the medal. No need to whine about it.
Best Regards,
Missing Liao
This is a current picture of Adrian Zielinski, who has just been banned by Polish anti-doping.
http://www.polska-sztanga.pl/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/adrian17.jpg
Balding, acne, both at 27. He looks just as bad as Ilyin in 2012.
Patterns exist.
You’ve got an aesthetics bias.
This only supports that Zielinski dopes heavily, for which we were sure anyway without any doubt (same with Ilyin).
Here you have another possible side effect of steroid usage – insane muscle development. But it looks much better so you tend to ignore it:
http://thehumancircus.hookgrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lu-xiaojun-snatch-pulls.jpg
And here you have Galabin Boevski – your average physique guy – 1.75 m/ 69 kg
Zero exaggerated androgenic effects (I’ve trained for some time in his fitness center and seen him pretty much every day – he looks like you will never know he is a weightlifter, let alone WR holder).
Does it mean he is clean? Of course not – he is officially banned.
Logic.
http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/images/i_athletes/b25.jpg
Balding in your early twenties is not especially uncommon. I started balding at 19, at 25 I am almost completely bald on top. It’s not necessarily a sign of heavy steroid use.
Everyone dopes, we all know that. It’s the degree to which they do that matters now. Kaz has been pretty liberal with this compared to other contending countries.
Most (probably all) athletes are lifting dirty, sadly it’s just known and accepted (maybe exceptions from countries with strict regulations, eg the US, UK etc). A lot of the time it’s from the coaches or even the state. The guys that dope, have not just started… Most likely is that it started from adolescence, by the coaches, they probably thought it was normal.
It’s easy to bash one athlete who wins the gold, but everyone does it. It’s a lot more complicated than cheating athletes, stop it at the source, the coaches and governing bodies.
Even in the US and other western countries it depends on the sport and general public expectations. NFL and MLB are not WADA and IOC regulated, and their testing procedures and penalties are quite liberal. It seems nobody cares that much about steroid usage of 300-pound offensive guards in NFL but more on the show and the results.
Current anti-doping system is flawed on so many levels. It has been discussed numerous times already in this blog, I doubt we will give any new arguments here.
I will be more than happy to see pro sports restarted from scratch without PEDs but I still have not seen any good concept of how to do that generally (and I admit I also can’t suggest such). So for the time being I just accept that at least it is a level playing field and prefer to enjoy good performance.
NFL is a really interesting comparison I had never thought of. The vast majority of players are dirty but at least they abide by the same rules and regulations. The current doping testing for weightlifting equivalent in football would be if each team had different testing. Wouldn’t work out so well.
I hope they all get caught. So sick of people cheating, so sick of people putting up this facade of “God is everything, I owe it all to this supplement, etc”. I want them all to get caught in every sport. We have to two paths we can go down, roids for everyone and they all look like freaks and lift crazy numbers or strict as hell doping testing to ensure we catch any top athlete cheating. In my opinion If you want to lift crazy numbers juice away and go be instagram famous and do some seminars but leave the medals for the natural athletes…
That always was my opinion. To separate the instagram and youtube lifters, from the competition lifters.
I think it would be a big joke if Rahimov does not test positive in the upcoming weeks/months.
Boyanka didn’t pop in 2015 when she power-jerked world records but she popped when she lifted like a nobody at the Olympics. Weird stuff happens…
Guys come on you know better than to blabber about doping on ATG, it leads nowhere. Furthermore in the end what matters for the athlete is the moment on the stage, even if people are caught later. There’s no glory in knowing you got gold years later e.g. Lydia. we can only appreciate the current outcome and move on.
Seriously though 397 total would be enough to win 85kg, guess we’ll see what Ulanov, Rostami, Tian will bring.
On another note, I wonder who iwf is going to use for marketing now that Lu lost, they sure as hell aren’t going to use Kazakhs with the recent happenings.
379 and 397 are different numbers, only 1 of which are currently competitive in the 85’s.
Perhaps we can make a T-shirt with Xiaojun picture, saying “the true olympic champion”. Oh, wait…
No definite way to know when these lifts were done and therefore, he may have been for ex, over 80kgs, maybe 82kgs. The 180 snatch is too far removed from the 165 he posted in Brazil—-15kgs (33 pounds) more. If he’d been able to do 180 at Rio he’d have done it. However, I have to allow that he may have weighed 77kgs here as I don’t know he didn’t. In any case, he’s hell on wheels with the overhead lifts. Varbanov easily cleaned and recovered with 217.5kgs twice in the old 75 class, but the jerks failed. Now as to this current lifter, several questions—-1) In what condition is his liver, maybe his kidneys also? and 2) an observation, he may move up to 85kgs and exceed Vardanian’s 190 and 228 done at 85.7kgs? I read that Rahimov previously had a doping suspension. What makes anyone think such lifts are possible without banned substances? I admit in any case to admiring the willpower he shows. I hope his elbows stay healthy unlike the lifter whose left elbow was damaged in Rio.
hello, it’s one year later, many of the countries you were talking about were banned.
Rahimov hasn’t been caught (yet), Lu is retiring (it seems), U.S is growing 2 monsters in 69 & 77.
About this whole doping conversation, it’s all about money investing in anti doping agency.
we all know (or should know) that when TV and powerful anouncers are involved, they cover the results, or don’t do test at all.
Example : NBA -> i heard that they do test but don’t care for the results -maybe i heard wrong-
remember Ben Johnson in 100m sprint when he won and got disqualified. EVERY athletes on the field that night was dirty BUT since US TV was doing the coverage they had to choose a scapegoat and he couldn’t be american…so the canadian took the blame.
you know the saying : when there’s a will there’s a way. Well there is no will to fight doping in most countries….no funds no will.
on a personal level i hate doping because i’m interested by the limits of the human body, the REAL limits 🙂
since i’m not a high lvl weightlifter i don’t know what the limits are, i estimate you substract 15-20 kg per movment.
European championship 2017 : French guy in 69 kg won with 140 / 180 .
the guy has a nearly perfect body structure for WL and still -20 kg than the records.
if u admit that France has a good anti doping policy we could assume this guy is clean, and that his performance are very close to the limits of the human body