Meanwhile A while back in Uzbekistan …
21 year old Sardorbek Dusmurotov (105 kg) Squats 320kg.
320 – 330 kg seems to be the mark most top 105kg need to hit to be competitive.
Klokov listed a 325kg Squat, same for Berestov, 320kg for Polovnikov. Of course there are outliers like Ilya who said he Front Squatted 320 before worlds…
“Of course there are outliers like Ilya who said he Front Squatted 320 before worlds…”
Oh! Oh! Source please! I would love to get some more info! Does a video exist, by any chance? Also, I vaguely recollect something about him cleaning 250 but missing the jerk in a mock competition, or something like that. I think it was posted here… does that sound familiar, or am I just making things up?
Source: Ilya in the training hall.
He also showed people video of a 250kg clean & jerk on his phone.
Shhhhh. You are betraying my trust. It’s secret training.
Thats intimidation tactics from Ilya.
I wish he’d post that video…he looked “chubby” at 105kg…was that illusion (because I’m used to seeing him at 94kg). I say chubby in a very relative way-his freaking quads were like a bodybuilders.
and I have no doubt he’s done 250 in training. His 242 at the Worlds was super easy up to the clean.
I don’t see a point of squatting heavier than 300kg when they need to stand off the bottom with 240~250kg the most (242kg being WR @ 105kg category). I think if 105kg guys can front squat 260~270kg backsquat 280~290kg, they are safe) Of course they would still have to squat during training. I just don’t see a point of pushing the squatting number to maximum. any thoughts, peeps?
Indeed,
The point (among other things) is that the less effor you expend on a clean, the more you have left for a jerk. If you are cleaning 200kgs, and your best front squat is 210, you will have essentially done a max frot squat before you get to the jerk. Who knows if the bar will be in a good position com which to jerk it. You may have to expend a lot of nervy repositioning the bar, an by the time you jerk it, you may be so fatigued that you can’t stabilize it at lockout. Not if you are CJing 200 and your max FS is 250, you will be quite fresh for the jerk with such an easy clean recovery. There is a reason most lifters can jerk more from a rack than they can CJ.
Sorry for all the typos. Posting from a phone.
Some lifters have weak BS (correlation with their own C & J) but have great technique in the clean, timing the elastic energy of the bar. But there is no doubt that your words are right, not everybody has the talent of Szymon Kolecki for example.
Kolecki was a natural if there ever was. How a guy that tall and wiry could lift the way he could is insane. 232 at something like 6′ tall 94kg.
It makes sense with Ilyan–great levers, stocky explosive. Kolecki was freakish.
Yeah, I’d also add in reference to the original post, that I don’t think pushing the back squat to an absolute 1RM would be necessary at all for lifters. Just that it’s not a bad idea to develop surplus squat strength.
Alan you are very correct. Max 1rm squat is very dangerous. Very little reward for such a high risk movement when working above 300+. I don’t recall seeing a current top lifter ever squating a 1rm. Its all doubles and triples making the squats look very easy. If it is a single it is certainly not max or hard. From my experience a heavy 1rm is to either gauge improvement from a pervious strength cycle, motivate and give confidence to the lifter or take the lifter on a ego trip.
Alan, being a world record holder yourself and 240 c&jerker, I trust your opinion mate……..
You have truly missed the key difference between standing up with a heavy clean and performing a front squat…….
As always, I have to remind you that comments like this are not helpful in any discussion.
There is no need for remarks like “being a world record holder yourself and 240 c&jerker,”
Try to be more helpful when you want to comment here.
Alexeev never back squatted over 270 when he did his WR 256 C&J. Taranenko stopped pushing his squats once he did 300×3 front squat.
This was taranenko’s comment about the back squat ” The back squat is the most important strength exercise. I usually squat every day, sometimes more than once-a-day. My best back squat is 380 kg (837 lbs). But this is with a two-second pause at the bottom”
Ref: http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/news/nv005.html
damn…2 second pause with 837. No wonder he’s the all time Clean Jerk record holder. Sheesh. Beast mode.
300×3 in the front squat is pretty ludicrous!
Please educate me in details. I wrote my opionion with reason why I think this way. I’d like to listen to other opionions. Correct me where I am wrong. I would love to know from a more exprienced person! You have a merry Christmas!
Big Alan,
Everett below is on the right track. You would be wise to not only read but understand what he is saying….. Just because alexeev said he didn’t believe it was necessary to squat over 270 because he would never attempt more on the CnJ, that’s not to say that he wasn’t an 800pound back squatter anyway, he had gotten it to that level and was confident that increases in that particular lift would not yield increases in his CnJ.
Do not read everything written in an article and perceive it as gospel, rather decipher what it’s really saying
Everett also mentioned that “you may be so fatigued that you can’t stabilize it at lockout. Not if you are CJing 200 and your max FS is 250” don’t get me wrong. I understand increasing squat max does help in weightligting! especially C&J what I initially said was it’s not necessary for a 105kg lifter to increase their squat max when he already squat over 300kg which is still huge!!
You are still missing the point…… You say that you understand that increasing the Back squat helps in weightlifting then on the other hand you say it’s “not necessary for a 105kg lifter to increase their squat max when it’s already over 300kg”
What are the thresholds for supers? For 94s?
For 85s?
You seem to think 300 is the magic number where all 105s should reach and then maintain this level……
Based on what research I ask?
How many world and Olympic Champ have you trained?
My point is you are not qualified to make that judgement, you say it’s your opinion, but your opinion it seems is baseless and does not have the “in the trenches” experience the worlds top coaches have……….
Based on the fact that a lot of weighlifters stop maxing out their back squat once they reach certain weight on their back squat because it’s pointless. Maybe not 100% pointless. But it’s risky with little reward. For instance, one 105kg weighlfter might stop maxing out on his backsquat after he can squat 300kg, he would still squat a lot 80~95% maybe from time to time at 300kg. Ok now Does that mean that he stop progressing his squat? hell No, he might do some doubles at 300kg one day. He just stopped pushing his 1RM back squat. REMEMBER, WEIGHTLIFTING is not about back squat, It’s about SNATCH and C&J!
you have a lovely New years eve and happy new year to you!
300 is just an example. heavy enough weight to help pushing to C&J WR.
Great music and most likely a great atmosphere to train.
Great looking squat and he probably has more in the tank. I really get a kick at how when we watch the international level lifters squat they can remain in such solid positions throughout the entire lift.
I think it’s entirely different for every lifter. Hungarian lifters like Attila Kertész – 90 kg cat – could back squat with 300 kg. Andor Szanyi – 100 kg cat – never went over 230 kg and was able to cnj a 235.5 kg world record. He said you strengthen your legs with every single weightlifting exercise on training. Once he back squatted with 230 kg and next day just sat on the bench and didn’t start training. The coaches asked him why and he said : I overdid myself yesterday 😀