Meanwhile in Korea at the 2014 Asian Games.
The 85kg session was quite a spectacle! We even had got an amazing HD stream.
Kianoush Rostami Snatched 172kg, Sa Jae-Hyouk got 171kg (skipped his 3rd) and later bombed in the Clean & Jerk (x207, x207, x210).
Then it was for the Tian Tao show. The 20 year old was 9kg behind after the Snatch (he only made his 163kg opener, missed 168kg on his 2nd and had timing issues on the 3rd), but he blew everyone away in the Clean & Jerk (Full C&J Recordings: C&J #1, C&J #2).
He went 205, missed 211 and lifted 218kg for the over all lead on his 3rd attempt!
This equals the 85kg Clean & Jerk World Record set by Zhang Yong in 1998.
Update: It’s now confirmed that it is a new Junior World Record, surpassing Ilya Ilyin’s 216kg.
More: Watch Tian’s 280kg x2 Squat here.
Short Interview with Tian and Coach Yu Jie
(Translation Below)
Translation: Thanks to Victor and “shittytranslator”, who did an excellent job translating.
The video says Tian Tao has pulled the tooth from a tiger’s mouth in taking that gold from Rostami!
We came to carve a blood path to the gold
No one had touched this weight since Zhang Yong did it 16 years ago. Tian himself says that he was mentally prepared to go to 220.
Yu Jie says they came to carve a blood path to the gold; there was no other medal worth attempting. During the Snatch, Sa pulled out after Tian’s 168 failure, forcing Tao to take 1 minute rest instead of 2.
He rushed onto the stage in the last 10 seconds for his third Snatch and failed. Yu Jie was so anxious for Tian’s last Clean and Jerk that he forgot that Rostami was heavier and had Tian take 218 instead of the 217 that he needed.
Interviewer (M): “Do you have any words to
say?”
Tian Tao: “Thank you everybody. I was too rushed. I wanted to go for 220kg, went for the lighter weights, failed one, but this it how it went.”
Yu Jie (Coach): “Today, we wanted to secure the Gold Medal. No matter what, we will call for the weight that will allow us to get the gold. Before this when we were preparing I told (him) that we will do what it takes to get the gold.”
Interviewer: “What happened just now? Why was there only 1 minute between the attempts (referencing the 2nd and 3rd attempts at the Snatch)?”
Tian Tao: “(Laughing) This, I don’t know. It was supposed to be 2 minutes, but suddenly it was 1 minute and I had to rush onto the stage at 30s. I didn’t get enough time to prepare.”
Yu Jie: “This was because of the rules. After Tien Tao had his second attempt, the Korean Lifter (Sa Jae-Hyouk) was due to lift. But he suddenly changed his mind, and that meant that Tian Tao was not following himself according to the rules. So this was because of the rules. We have to be more careful about this in future competitions.”
Tian Tao: “.. Then, even though I’ve never attempted this weight, but my training should have been enough for it.”
Interviewer: “Have you attempted this weight (218kg) in training?”
Tian Tao: “No, never.”
Interviewer: What is your best in training?
Tian Tao: “215kg, but this took me 3 attempts when I was focused. But having attempted it 3 times, cleaned it 3 times easily, then I should have the strength (for 218kg) .”
Yu Jie: “ ’12 was a waste [referring to Lu Yong’s tragic bomb out and failure to defend the 85kg Olympic title]. That means we have to get it back in ’16. We have to work on
improving his (Tien Tao’s) Snatch, must get it more consistent. This will help raise his C&J, and help us take back the Gold medal in ’16.”
Side View
LOL @ the coach wearing the white shirt during the replay
I can’t believe myself! I forgot that he had one more attempt and I closed the page thinking that it was over :))) I’ve just seen this last 218 kg. Ha!Ha! Beautiful anyway.
Really happy to see Tao make it in international competition. All of the sudden the 218 kg world record might be up for deletion at the worlds if he keeps it up and gets one or more other lifters with him to challenge each other.
I’ve always liked him since he popped up as a crazy 17 year old 77 attempting the world record. Sucks about his injuries that plagued him between then and now. Awesome to see him win gold here, and it seems as though he would have either matched or beat Sa by 1kg if he made his second and third snatches, and ended up with his planned 220 in the clean and jerk. So about 391 or 392 total, unfortunately still not the world record thanks to Rybakou’s insane snatch. Tian will ‘only’ need a 175 snatch for that 220 clean and jerk to take the record, and there are a lot of 85s that are snatching 175. 2, 3, and 4th place at 2013 worlds all snatched 175. And with how easy Tian’s snatches looked I’m sure he can do it too.
I hope this record (218) goes some time soon. It’s comparatively weak in regard to the other weight classes. It’s just eight more than the weight class below, which has been nearly broken countless times, and fifteen less than the next weight class up. Rostami was so close to 219 in Paris, but he hasn’t been the same since. Hopefully Tian Tao shows up to worlds with a new record on his mind. Also, does anyone know is Apti is moving up or not? Would love to see him attack it as well.
The 94 kg snatch wr is the best example for a “weak” record! It’s 1 kg above the 85 kg snatch wr!
Well .. of course the 85/94 snatch records are screwed up .. but not because of “weak” 94’s. The simple cause is the freak Rybakou 🙂 Which 85kg lifter has snatched even 180 since him?
Agreed, but Rybakov is a big part of that. I think he’s the only 85 to snatch over 182.5 so he’s a real outlier. I bet he could have entered as light 94 (not cut weight) and snatch 190 or more. I fully expect either Ivanov to break it soon.
Indeed he Rybakou has done that before.
https://allthingsgym.com/andrei-rybakou-191kg-snatch/
Is Aukhadov really fit for competition? Don’t know if he’s back from his injuries yet. Other than him, there are Maligov and Okulov on the Russian team, and Rostami and Sa can have better days in the clean and jerk.
It could be an exciting match-up at the worlds. 🙂
Aukhadov is going to be a 94 for now on I’m pretty sure.
You are wrong. Apti is staying in 85 for this year worlds, and Adam is up to 94.
Don’t forget about Ivan Markov. He snatched 175 and clean & jerked 210 at Europeans this year. He could definitely be in medal contention at worlds.
Good point, Markov is definitely a contender.
The level of this competion is higher than London, and will be higher than world’s in November.
Finally living up to his massive potential that he showed as a 17 year old. Now we just have to hope he doesn’t have any issues with that elbow.
Guess who’s gonna party hard tonight 😀 Tremendous effort! Coach is complety losing it!
First good news I’ve seen all week! Well, looks like I won’t be quitting weightlifting from depression after all! LOL
One thing I’ve noticed about the 85 kg class is that other than (Lu) Yong (possibly Dimas, Apti) there’s never been any lifter who’s consistently great in BOTH the lifts. In the snatch you have guys like Rybakov, Asanidze, and Gardev, and in the cj you have (Zhang) Yong, Vanev and Huster. Unfortunately none of them were great in the other lift, respectively. Dimas did 393 at 83 in 1996. In 18 years the total has only risen 1 kg while the weight class itself has risen 2.
Vardanjan did 405 kg in the 82,5 and Zlatev cnj-d 225 kg.And everybody call Dimas great. I always liked him but compared to the previous two he was lucky. Got that Barcelona gold with a very low 370 total. Don’t get me wrong he won 3 olympic golds so he is the man. But everyone seems to be forgetting what’s happened before Dimas…
I agree 100%. I love Dimas, but that Barcelona gold was very lucky. David Morgan probably would have won if he was healthy and who knows what happened to Samadov. He did, however, own that Atlanta competition and recovered very well to win in Sydney. I don’t think you can compare anyone else in the light heavyweight class to the greats that you mentioned (Vardanyan, Zlatev.). I believe Vardanyan himself said he would have 4 gold medals if it wasn’t for politics and I wouldn’t have put it beyond him. I personally believe that Dimas overshadowed the weightlifting genius that was Kakhi Kakhiashvili. For some reason he isn’t mentioned as often despite that fact that he has as many Olympic and world championships as Dimas. Maybe it’s because his lifting wasn’t as demonstrative as Dimas’s, but damn could that man move around a bar.
To bolster my point on the weakness of all-around lifters in this weight category think about this. When Rybakov set the total record he snatched 2 kgs under the snatch record and c&jed 9 kgs under and cj record and STILL managed to break the total record. In fact someone could break his total record by snatching 7 kgs under the snatch record and c&jing 4 kgs under the cj record. Or if your someone like Tian Tao you could snatch a whopping 11 kgs under the snatch record and exceed the c&j record by just 1 kg and boom you’d have yourself a total record. Meanwhile Lu X is doing his best to embarrass everyone in this weight class.
Actually Dimas has 3 golds + 1 bronze Olympic medals
Nobody else got it better (unless you consider 1984 games as Olympics, then Naim is the best)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_S%C3%BCleymano%C4%9Flu
Kakhi’s 235 kg CJ in Atlanta has got to be one of the most immense lifts of that era. Broke the WR by 7-8 kg if I remember correctly.
I always wonder why they don’t keep those records on the book. They had a weight disadvantage after all.
Well I think they wanted to freshen up weightlifting. The old records were incredibly high and WL needed to be renewed. People wanted to see new world records. I think cancelling the 52 kg was a good decision because that is very low for anybody. They made two mistakes in my opinion : first of all the 105 kg is not a good category. 108 and 110 kg were ok but 105 is too small. Secondly they should have kept the superheavy’s records. That cat basically didn’t change. Of course that wouldn’t have been fair today’s lifters. All in all everybody should be aware of the old records because those guys in the ’80-s did incredible things.(for example Yurik Vardanyan cleaned 230 kg in the 82,5 kg category).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvwEH3N9Bw
and of course the drug testing got stricter when they reset the records (at least that’s what I heard)
My opinion about that : today’s weightlifting – and overall every sport – just the same drug using wise as it was in the old days. Lots of people playing hippocrat saying that the ’80-s were soo bad and today the sport is cleaner. This is bullshit. Today the athletes use much better drugs or drugs that are not even on the doping list. Today it’s about big money and political interest. Leaders on the highest level decide who stays or go. As you can see on the sanctioned athletes list lifters get caught with the same substances that were used 20-30 years ago. Those are who can’t pay for better stuff and eventually get banned.
I don’t know there were a lot of 260kg+ clean and jerks back then in the SHWs.
I think they have to come “off” sooner and that restricts some performance.
Interviewers mentioned that Tian Tao’s BW was less than Rostami’s, so he only needed 217 on the last attempt to win. However, in the heat of the moment, the coaches forgot about the weight rule and chose 218.
The video says Tian Tao has pulled the tooth from a tiger’s mouth in taking that gold from Rostami! No one had touched this weight since Zhang Yong did it 16 years ago. Tian himself says that he was mentally prepared to go to 220. Yu Jie says they came to carve a blood path to the gold; there was no other medal worth attempting. During the snatch, Sa pulled out after Tian’s 168 failure, forcing Tao to take 1 minute rest instead of 2. He rushed onto the stage in the last 10 seconds for his third snatch and failed. Yu Jie was so anxious for Tian’s last clean and jerk that he forgot the Rostami was heavier and had Tian take 218 instead of the 217 that he needed. Tian’s best c&j in training was only 215. Yu Jie says we must improve Tian much much more, especially in the snatch abd further enhance his c&j to reclaim the 85kg gold lost in 2012 and retake it in 2016.
Thanks again Victor. By the way I really like the metaphors used here.
Gonna post as a Guest – Shittytranslator.
Female newscaster: “(I think this got cut
off) … The winner of today’s 85kg
competition”
Male newscaster: “Today’s winner Tian Tao… (can’t catch this part) Because he
lifted 218kg on his last attempt. You must know that no one has lifted this
weight for 16 years. Another point worth mentioning is that this was 13kg more
than his first attempt.”
*Cut to Video of the lift* (00:23)
“Tien Tao with 368kg is 4th. (cut
to him walking up to the bar) This is his last lift. Win or lose it comes down
to this. If he lifts this, he’ll be the champion. If he doesn’t he’ll be 4th.Let’s
see if our young athlete can pull off a miracle under pressure.”
*Cuts to close up* (00:40)
*Tien Tao makes the clean*
(00:50) “He’s stood up. Use all your strength,
drive up!”
*Tien Tao in the rack position*
*Tien Tao drives under*
(00:59) “Hold it! (This expression is not
easily translated – literally “support (cheng) stable(wen)”) Stand Up! Stand
Up! He’s stood up!”
*Tien Tao drops the weight*
“Beautiful! Tien Tao! Very Beautiful!” (Chinese
coaches describe a good lift as being “Beautiful”)
*Tien Tao runs off the platform and embraces
his coach*
(1:05)- (1:12) Commentator uses a chinese proverb
here to describe Tiao Tao’s attempt and Gold Medal. Literally it means “Plucking
a tooth from a tiger’s jaw”. In this context, it may better be render as ‘snatching
victory from the jaws of defeat’.
“This Gold medal truly was snatched from
the jaws of defeat!”
*Tien Tao getting sitting on the ramp*
(1:14) “Tien Tao has never lifted this
weight before. Too Beautiful!”
*Walks towards his coaches*
(1:20) “Tien Tao performed really well
under this great pressure”
*Whiteout – Deeper male voice takes over*
(1:28)“This is a really extraordinary lift.
218kg. (can’t make this out). No one has lifted this weight in the 85kg
category for 16 years. And Tien Tao had to lift this to get his gold medal. No
one thought that he could lift it.”
*Interview starts!* (1:48)
Interviewer (M): “Do you have any words to
say?”
Tien Tao: “Thank you everybody. I was too
rushed. I wanted to go for 220kg, went for the lighter weights, failed one, but
this it how it went.” – quite disorganised here + my shitty earphones = might
not be accurate.
Yu Jie (The Coach): “Today, we wanted to
secure the Gold Medal. No matter what, we will call for the weight that will
allow us to get the gold. Before this when we were preparing I told (him) that
we will do what it takes to get the gold.”
*Cut to Rostami* (2:23)
“The person who had already won the
championship (before Tien Tao’s lift), Rostami was inconsolable (regretful literally,
but I think inconsolable is a better fit). Rostami’s total was 380kg, but Tien
Tao was lighter. If the results are the same, the lighter man wins. Tien Tao
snatched 163kg, we don’t need to mention the C&J, but Tien Tao only needed
to C&J 217kg to win. But in the heat of the moment, Coach Yu Jie forgot
about the bodyweight. The competition was so difficult because Tien Tao lost
too many snatches behind. (Tien Tao) was 9kg behind (after the snatch). The team
had a small hiccup. After Tien Tao lifted 163kg, he failed 168kg on his second
attempt. He followed himself for the third attempt. Normally one has a 2 minute
resting window if one follows oneself. But there was some issue with the time
and there was only 10 seconds left on the clock for Tien Tao to attempt the
lift. ”
*Cut to Interview* (3:28)
Interviewer (M): “What happened just now?
Why was there only 1 minute between the attempts (referencing the 2nd
and 3rd attempts at the snatch)”
Tien Tao: “(Laughing) This, I don’t know.
It was supposed to be 2 minutes, but suddenly it was 1 minute and I had to rush
onto the stage at 30s. I didn’t get enough time to prepare.”
Yu Jie (Coach): “This was because of the
rules. After Tien Tao had his second attempt, the Korean Lifter (Sa Jae-Hyouk)
was due to lift. But he suddenly changed his mind, and that meant that Tien Tao
was not following himself according to the rules. So this was because of the
rules. We have to be more careful about this in future competitions.”
*Cut to Rostami* (4:08)
Wow this is very detailed, thank you.
*Cut to Rostami* (4:08)
“Iran’s Rostami had already Snatched 172kg
to lead Tien Tao by 9 kg. In his first attempt, Tien Tao C&J 205kg, but failed
his second attempt at 211kg. Whereas Rostami opened at 208kg, but failed twice
at 212kg.
*Cut to Tian Tao* (4:31)
“.. Then, even though I’ve never attempted
this weight, but my training should have been enough for it.”
(Interviewer) “Have you attempted this
weight (218kg) in training?”
(Tien Tao) “No, never.”
(Interviewer) “What is your best in
training?”
(Tien Tao) “215kg, but this took me 3
attempts when I was focused. But having attempted it 3 times, cleaned it 3
times easily, then I should have the strength (for 218kg) .”
*Cut to Tien Tao’s 218kg C&J – Deeper Male
Voice* (4:57)
“As so, Tien Tao was the last to lift this
218kg in the competition. Even in training, he had never attempted this weight.
This was his chance to break the (Asian Games) record for C&J and Total.
The young member of the Chinese Weightlifting team … (Can’t catch this –
context wise not important)”
*Cut to Yu Jie* (5:23)
“ ’12 was a waste (referring to Lu Yong’s
tragic bomb out and failure to defend the 85kg Olympic title). That means we
have to get it back in ’16 (Tien Tao PLEASE DELIVER!). We have to work on
improving his (Tien Tao’s) snatch, must get it more consistent. This will help
raise his C&J, and help us take back the Gold medal in ’16.”
*Cut to Another Chinese Correspondent* (5:37)
“218kg. This is the world record in the
85kg Men’s category. No one has lifted this weight in competition for 16 years.
Who’d thought Tien Tao would have lifted it today at the end of the competition?
Demonstrating his strength, and demonstrating the strength of the Chinese
Weightlifting Team (As if that was in any doubt…). Of course, a single
competition is not a measure of success, we hope for the Chinese weightlifting
team to continue to improve. [Reporter’s name, News Programme].”
*End*
Hope you liked it! Apologies for any mistakes.
Shittytranslator (Guest).
Just fantastic. I combined parts of your translation (the actual interview) with Victor’s Summary translation. Great to have people like you on board!
What shoes is he wearing ??
The Chinese team has a new sponsor, I can’t remember what it’s called. I noticed Lin had tape over his Nike shoe logos when he competed
Anta
The brand is called “Anta”
Now we’re talking! Gotta get my Anta T-shirt, singlet, shoes, and anything else weightlifting that they make!
http://en.anta.com/news.php?k=14
Do you have any idea if these are available to purchase ??
Nope
That was unexpected! I hope that he stays healthy, so that we have another great competitor up there for many years to come.
he’s 20? so it should be a new world junior record?
Yes, the IWF is just slow. He’s beaten Ilyin!
if this guy can stay healthy and improves his snatch, apti should be getting a little scared. A lot of if’s in that statement, I know, but that 218 didn’t even look that difficult for him. And only 20? Jeez.