This is the overview post for the 2015 President’s Cup in Grozny, Russia.
Nat and I are already in Moscow and we will travel to Grozny on Friday.
It’s an IWF Grand Prix which also allows athletes to qualify for the Olympic Games. The weight classes are: W75kg, W+75kg, M94kg, M105kg, M+105kg.
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Highlights
(12.12.2015): Denis Ulanov (94kg, Kazakhstan) Clean and Jerked 219kg weighing in at 87.62kg!
Ilya Ilyin (105kg, Kazakhstan) Clean and Jerks 246kg to break his old 242kg Clean and Jerk World Record by 4kg and Andrei Aramnau‘s 436kg Total World Record by 1kg. Recording of the full session here.
Trivia
- This event honours the 130th anniversary of weightlifting in Russia (PDF).
- This should be a second qualifier for a lot of lifters wanting to participate at the Olympic Games in Rio, including Ilya Ilyin, Timur Naniev, Sarah Robles, etc
Will putin be lifting in the 94 or the 105?
Nice one. 🙂
It’s going to be interesting to see what Albegov and Mogushkov can do. They should be eager to prove themselves after Lovchev’s stellar performance in Houston.
i just hope albegov break some record and not injury himself, i think he has nothing to prove, just get his pass for Rio
Both. And Kadyrov is set to sweep the boards in the 105+
Awesome! Can’t wait.
Are the Russians allowed enter 3 people in one class?
More even, and they’re not the only one. KAZ gave 4 94s the ticket.
whom?
Is this a competition, where new world records can be set? Or is that only possible at worlds, olympic games etc. ?
Yeah, as far as I know any iwf sanctioned event world records can be set. I think the world record in the clean and jerk by David Bedzhanyan in the 105kg was set there, also Kosov’s youth snatch world record.
True. And also Zabolotnaya’s(75kg) records were set there 🙂
This is all the Technical and Competition Rules have to say about it: [8.6] “World records may only be set at IWF Events included in the IWF Calendar.”
Since Ilya was never beaten in international competitions, he might take this one very seriously
Only refers to worlds, jr worlds, olympics, and continental championships. A Grand Prix wouldn’t impact that record.
That makes no sense. It refers to all IWF competitions.
Maligov and Aukhadov since its in their home country?
I’m interested to see where Ilya’s snatch numbers are at. I think that will be the key for him winning in Rio. Also interested in how Albegov, Apti and Khetag lift here. Should be exciting.
Albegov’s gonna break Lovchev’s 475 o_o
He is in top shape? That would be incredible if he could! You have inside information?
Nah, I’m just messin’. I dunno what form he’s in. But it would be hilarious if I didn’t post this, then it came true and everybody thought I had connections with the Russian team LOL
215-261 inc your heard it first here
im thinking 212-265
Aukhadov will not compete here.
Yes, isn’t the lowest weight category 94kg? He’s hardly going to go up for one comp.
and? weighing just above 85 kg should not be a problem for him
Hey Ivan! (Lisa here)
He could always drink a bottle of water, that worked out well before :p
But he’s probably not going be very competitive as a light 94, especially since he hasn’t seemed to have fully returned to his old form as an 85kg. Depends on who’s in the 94s, I suppose.
hey Lisa!
great to hear from you. How is lifting? BTW, you re a real cutie in the avatar 😀
Either way, looking forward to another comp. Did you know I was in Houston? It was awesome yet again.
All good Ivan, keeping going, nothing crazy but enjoying training when I can. Ha, young Dolly Parton was a cutie!
You went to Houston too?! Lucky thing! What was the best session? +105kg?
Apti is still hungry, wants to kill for more. Never satisfied.
I wonder why Tian Tao wouldn’t have reset, and went in as a heavy 85, light 94….#redemtion
I don’t think it’s that simple for him. The Chinese team did an overhaul in its training methods and switched to a new system devised by Coach YuJie after the 2014 Incheon Asian Games where they saw North Korea’s team become a challenge to Chinese supremacy rather than just a flitting annoyance, which they had pegged it as before. The 2015 Worlds was the first big test for the new system and it seems to work better for the women than for the men. Even though China topped the medal tables with 6 golds, there was an abnormal number of bomb-outs from the male team (Long Qingquan, Lu Xiaojun, Tian Tao, Liu Hao) so this is not a little screw up that Tian Tao needs to redeem by hotheadedly lifting again in under a month. This is a bigger picture issue for the head coaches to work with their exercise scientists to figure out what went wrong with their training for this past year. Honestly, I think they have a really nice new system but they just need to work out the kinks. Lots of athletes are hitting national bests/ world records and lifting more than ever before, but this came at a cost to consistency (which was evident in the national games and test of strength as well). So a large part of the new system is good in that their intensity was improved, but they have to find out why their consistency waned and rectify that in time for Rio.
Chen Lijun was the only one of Yujie’s direct students who did not bomb (Wu Jingbiao and Shi Zhiyong do not train directly under Coach Yujie though they do subscribe to the big picture of his new system implemented nation-wide among weightlifting teams). Chen alone exhibited the intended effects of this new training. Maybe they’ll want to analyze what subtle differences were in his program as compared to the others or if there were none, perhaps his physiology was simply more suited for this type of training.
It seemed to me that they started out some of their lifters too heavy.
Speaking of Sarah Robles, why didn’t shift lift in Houston? I thought USAW gave her the spot, and I she was on the start list, I believe.
She placed 6th? It’s really easy to look this up…
China sucks at entering SHW women (again). Why not let Sun Yongjie destroy Youth records here? Boo. Or Jia Weipeng, anyone really. Would’ve been an easy win.
No Nurudinov? He has to enter the Asian Champs next year, I guess.
What means “Extra” graph at start list ?
I think it means, can’t earn points
Anyone else having problems with the live stream? I can’t get it to work longer than 14 seconds or so.
It’s not on Eurosport as far as I can tell, but on NTV+ Sport with Russian commentary.
http://www.streamytv.net/ntv-plus-sport-russia/
Thanks!
This was a great stream, thank you!
Yes DylanJm The live stream and web management is really a bummer! 🙁 Not even any still shots of the event or surrounding country to share on facebook etc. It’s a shame because what little we CAN see it’s really beautiful~ Can anyone help direct us??
Why didn’t Ilya just lift at Houston, considering this comp is right on the heels of it?
There’s other interviews which are slightly more recent I think, unfortunately I don’t have them at hand.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvesti.kz%2Fheavyathl%2F211052%2F&edit-text=
Perhaps the most interesting question. Why Ilyin miss the World Cup in the United States?What is the reason for this decision?
– On this question, I will answer this way. Our task – is to keep the athlete. Ilya fact can not simply go to the world championship and just perform. World Championship because requires full commitment. The medal can be obtained only if Elijah will be laid out on the full, large and maximum lifting weight. That is, in preparation for the World Cup would boost the training and very much risk. We have long thought that Ilya will miss the World Cup. This is one of the elements of our training plan. Now our task – to lay a certain base, and from next year we will start to gain momentum. Therefore, I would like to Ilya went to the Olympics without injury.
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://vesti.kz/heavyathl/211052/&usg=ALkJrhgOrb3wWnvScBaUyKDuIW0Ii7gX1Q
“Why the main start of the year is passed Ilyin and Chinshanlo
And Ilya Ilyin (105 kg), and Zulfiya Chinshanlo (53 kg) proved to be at last year’s license, “the world” in Almaty, so there is no need to take them to Houston. If you go, it turns out, they close the road to our two other weightlifters. But we want to check all the guys on the last dress rehearsal before the Rio de Janeiro.The fight is expected serious and there and there. It will be interesting to see how they manifest themselves in the end.”
Pasted the same link twice by accident. The second quote is from the kazakhstan weightlifting federation. Another quote:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwfrk.kz%2Fnews%2Fview%2F516&sandbox=1
– And why Ilya Ilyin did not get into the national team, which will travel to the World Cup?
– He is also preparing for the Olympic Games. Last year at the World Championships in Almaty all he has proved everything. And then, another weightlifter, too, need to act in the international arena.
Also, was that his dad cheerin his ass off with the Kazakhstani flag haha?
Does anyone know what the announcers were saying when Garcia was lifting on the clean and jerk? I think I heard them mention “Paul Anderson”.
They were trying to remember successful american athletes
I cannot understand why Yang Zhe is out here doing what he’s doing. Every interview he takes, he says that the next step is to rest and recuperate his injuries, and now, we see him come out to the President’s Cup 2 weeks after the world and try to do 195+227 with a limp?
Yeah, and definitely wasn’t looking too good after 227’s failed jerk
I missed the Uzbek guy’s name, but he seems like an odd ball. Big disparity between his snatch and clean and jerk. The Russian head coach patted him on the head after his last lift too
Sardorbek Dusmurotov
Guy from World Champs who lifted in the B group and got a Clean and Jerk medal.
Ah thanks. I’ve actually seen his 320/325kg squats up here before
God damn, Ilya is just amazing.
Wins on opening clean and jerk, breaks his own and Aramnau’s record a minute or so later…
Yeah, amazing! I actually didnt expect him to go for a WR in the jerk, thinking he didn’t want to risk injuries before Rio and then he goes to break the jerk and total record and still makes it look easy.
This was Much Easier than his 242 kg
Ilya will clean and jerk 275kg in rio
Lol of course it was just a joke. I meant 295kg
hahaha
Now Ilya has 268.7 in sinclair coeficient almost the same of Botev and Zakharevich that have 269 points. I mean online in C&J
I read that this 246 in 105 equals to 231.4 in 94
Ilya is awesome. Still gutted that he wasn’t in Houston, because with this kind of performance he would’ve won that 5th world title easily.
With Ilya’s antics this probably went unnoticed, but Denis Ulanov went 175+219 at 87kg BW. Tian Tao, Apti, Rostami and Okulov better watch out!
According to the Kazakhstan weightlifting federations website Ulanov was on the world team but apparently got minor injuries so was substituted.
Yup…I remember that he had the best entry total in the first entry list that was published.
I thought Ilya chickened out of the worlds because he wasn’t sure he could win it and staying unbeaten was more important. I still not quite understand how can be a Putin Cup more important than winning another world title but that 246 was phenomenal! He is easily on the same level with Botev and Zakharevich with it no doubt. He still needs to improve in the snatch but 246 is a serious weight with a 105 kg BW. The best thing was that he did it so solidly that it makes me think he would cnj 250 next year. Very special.
Also Ulanov’s 175+219 with 87kg BW? Man that is a great result.What Maligov was doing here or rather why he didn’t compete at the worlds is also a mistery to me. I bet he coulda got a bronze in the total. Would have meant much more than Kosov’s snatch gold…anyway very nice comp.Looking forward to watch the big guys tommorrow.
Actually this is Medvedev’s Cup, because he if former weightlifter himself. And during his presidency this competition was found. :))
Ilya missed worlds this year because, He wanted to secure his team mate alexander zaichov a good competition without giving him some pressure. Ilya is not selfish himself he’s thinking about his other teammates too, winning is not always about for yourself but for your country and the people itself. Ofcourse for his other team mates too. A true heart of a champion, that’s ilya ilyin.
Well,if it’s true then good for him. Although on this level ,I have my doubts…
That’s pure hard work. He was born to lift. And as far as I know he got tested so many times even off seasons.
Stop kidding yourself. Former KAZ team got busted, still the same coach. Ilya is strong like nothing.
Didn’t expect Ilyin could lift 246kg, I thought he is gonna do 243 kg or so, while lifting 193kg in snatch.
But he entirely relies on his Clean & Jerk. He still needs to improve his snatch.
He snatched 191. Only 2-3 105’s in the world can consistently hit that. And when you open with more than most of the field will ever even dream of cj’ing then why not rely on that one lift?
437 is fantastic, but 440 would be phenomenal.
Zackharevich totalled 440kg (200+240) as a junior in the then 100Kg class !
Zackharevich totalled 440kg (200+240) as a junior in the then 100Kg class !
Now, Ilya has a lot of time to improve his snatches and break aramnau’s snatch record in rio.